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April 11, 2021

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ML AndersonMay 15, 2018

I am a grateful mother of 7 Eagle Scouts. My boys had many valuable and memorable scouting experiences under the leadership of good christian scout leaders. However, as a parent and a scout leader, I often thought that the LDS Church could come up with an even better program for our youth. Now I am happy to see this happening.

Marlund HaleMay 11, 2018

I loved my scouting experiences and enjoyed having leadership roles as a youth and an adult. I actually belonged to two scout troops at the same community based and the other church based. Both were excellent troops. BTW, Maureen, the Scout Motto is only two words long. Your quotes were from the Law and the Oath.

Laura Lee EdwardsMay 11, 2018

Scouting has become a major part of our family history. The men in my family, including all four grandsons, are Eagle Scouts. In addition to the discipline developed as they worked on their merit badges, they also had leadership training and experience which was not provided through the priesthood. All of them have also successfully completed LDS missions. I grieve the loss of this program for their sons. But I am appalled at the notion of campouts with girls in attendance.I am eager to see what the new programs will look like. I know they will be inspired. I expect they will be designed to prepare the rising generations for the Second Coming of the Savior.

RobertMay 11, 2018

There has been a great deal of discussion since the LDS Church’s decision this past Tuesday to end their 105 year-old association with the Boy Scouts of America. Due to the timing of the Church’s announcement, given that BSA announced its plan to incorporate females into Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, it was immediately thought that BSA’s decision was the impetus for the LDS Church’s decision.It is my opinion that the LDS Church had plans to pull out of BSA before BSA’s Announcement. It is possible that BSA’s decision to include females was due to knowledge of the Church’s pending decision.First, to put things into perspective. I have lived overseas a number of years due to military service. Our American Servicemen’s Ward (congregation) chartered BSA units as part of the youth program for the Young Men. However, the local (German, Japanese, Korean, etc.,) wards did not. This caused confusion as the activities for the Young Men were different.Within the announcement that the LDS Church was pulling out of BSA was the announcement that youth programs would be restructured into a program that would be used worldwide. This included the programs for the females within the church. The program that the LDS Church developed for the Young Women in the 80s is going away.Furthermore, the church has made a number of announcements within the last year that now seem to hint at the decision that was announced on Tuesday. 1) Last May, the LDS Church announced the end of chartering Varsity Teams and Venturing Crews. 2) A few months ago, the LDS Church announced the end of the LDS-BSA Relationships Conference held annually at Philmont Scout Ranch. 3) A few months ago, the LDS Church announced a change to the Young Women’s camping program. These changes support the rolling out a world-wide Youth Program.I do believe, however, that the timing of the Church’s announcement was related to BSAs announcement. BSAs announcement caused a great deal of rancor and concern within the members. Many were calling for the church to abandon BSA. Given those voiced concerns, and knowing that the General Leadership of the Church meet together the First Thursday of each month (which was last Thursday), I would not be surprised if during that meeting, it was decided to make this announcement.

Kay RookhuyzenMay 10, 2018

While I am ever grateful for the wonderful lessons and examples set for my son during his years of scouting and eventual rank of EAGLE, I have seen this "divorce" coming for quite a while. The church has standards and has ever stood among the crowd as an example of God-fearing and loving good, moral behavior. Yes, we can be tolerant of others' opinions and behaviors; but we can neither condone nor accept the proverbial "wolf" among our lambs.I wish the scouting program the best in the future and eagerly wait to see what Lord has in mind for our younger generation in 2019.

Richard HigginsonMay 10, 2018

I remember dirt and ashes in my beans, maple syrup in my sleeping bag, my index finger cut-to-the-bone, riding over winding mountain roads in an open-bed farm truck, a bad scratch on my eye because of the wind and sand, the crotch of my pants open from zipper to belt. I don't think I could have been more miserable at thirteen, sharing a camp out with seventeen-year-old bullies. Those were the days!

grant davisMay 10, 2018

So sad that a microscopic few(less than 1%) have to ruin an organization for the other 99%! When will organizations stop caving into the Haters, whose only goal is to perverse the lives of those who live just?

Jeff MMay 10, 2018

A sad but inevitable development. Having spent 8 of the last 12 years in the Teachers and Priests Quorums (with Varsity and Venturer Scout parallel roles) I can tell you that BSA became increasingly difficult to deal with including: lengthy chartering processes, costly materials and uniforms propping up a bloated BSA bureaucracy, elaborate and ever increasing compliance requirements for activities and time consuming training and round table meetings all against the backdrop of the national level BSA compromising on core LDS values. It became easier with the 14 -18 age group to more informally organize adventure scouting type activities away from the red tape as those were the only scouting things that interested this increasingly sophisticated and more easily distracted mid/late teen age group. The church has been able to meet the needs of this age group outside of scouting outside the US and the experiences from that structure and program has informed the church in its latest development. To me it made sense to keep the core BSA program for the Deacons/Scouts age group as they are more amenable to the merit badge progression to Eagle Scout but the move to ever more progressive political correctness by the BSA rendered it more difficult for the church to pursue its overarching objectives inside BSA even for Cubs and Scouts. It is a sad end to what was for a century a vital and important relationship.

Robert StarlingMay 10, 2018

Well said Maurine! As Scoutmaster I once had to show my Scouts how to build a fire in the rain at a camp in Idaho. It's a valuable skill, among with the many other skills and values I learned (and taught) in Scouting. I sincerely hope the Church's new replacement program will retain that aspect of development for all our youth. 95% of our LDS Eagle Scouts fulfill successful missions, partly because they learned to do "hard things" in Scouting. And to "Linda" - you grandkids can still go to Philmont. They'll just need to join a community troop. Similarly, my three girls had some great experiences as Girl Scouts, even though that program is not part of the Church. My oldest grandson was able to join me in 2015 in Japan at a World Scout Jamboree, and it was life-changing for him (and me) to see Scouting in a larger context. Next year (2019) attending the next World Jamboree will be easier since it will be held in West Virginia. In contrast to the shrinking BSA, The World Organization of the Scouting Movement (WOSM) is growing rapidly. I hope many LDS Scouts will attend the next WSJ before the BSA bond is severed.

Win BroadhurstMay 10, 2018

The BSA has succumbed to Satonic and ungodly influences within our society. Our society, through our corrupt Supreme Court has demanded that those influences be accepted and implemented in many organizations. That same society has been and will continue with even more ferocious zeal, to influence religion and religious institutions. The LDS Church is a primary target and will be attacked on all fronts in the near future! Grab your life preservers and man the oars...rough waters are just ahead!!

dennis pageMay 10, 2018

Well written Maurine! Reading your article brought back many wonderful memories of my days as a Scout and of my leaders who have all passed a way.

LindaMay 10, 2018

I’m grateful our 4 sons had the Scouting experience. My husband was a Scoutmaster many years ago. They all learned valuable skills and really had fun at campouts. What I’m sad about is that my grandkids will not have the chance to go to Philmont. All of our kids went — including our daughters! Our stake formed girls crews as well as boys for summer treks. We had sister leaders who backpacked with them. All of our children had some amazing experiences that they love to recall now that they are grown. But I know that going these days is very expensive and probably limits who can go. It’s a wonderful memory! I look forward to seeing the new programs for children and youth. I have no doubt it will be exactly what they need for these days and times.

Rob M.May 10, 2018

This is long overdue. As prophecied... Good is called evil and evil good and the stain of immorality and perversion is creeping into every segment of society as legislators run from Satan's drumbeat. BSA will now become a hunting ground for predators and the Church need not be part of it. We are more than capable of creating and running our own programs.

John RogersMay 10, 2018

Your posts are always thoughtful and moving. Yearning is the perfect word to describe this development. Thanks always!

Barry HansenMay 10, 2018

Well said and well thought out, Maurine. You reflected many of my own feelings. Thanks for your article.

Robert van BruggenMay 10, 2018

scouting is more about the relationship between scouts and their leader than it was about the program content. Having scout leaders who were fine role models for our boys by living gospel standards and being worthy to attend the temple is what matters most. The church will always be able to deliver an amazing and superior program to scouts BSA because those same kind of men and women will still be there for our boys and girls. Any one can teach them to build a fire but when a man or woman of God does it it blesses them for eternity.

TaildraggerMay 10, 2018

"Oh, how the world needs the Boy Scouts" ??? Are you kidding me? How the world needs fathers who will take the responsibility on themselves to teach their boys what it means to be honorable, God fearing and prepared men. My dad taught me to build a fire in the rain and 10,000 even more important things. My dad taught me what it means to trust in the Lord and lean not unto my own understanding. My dad taught me what it means to have character, be responsible and live to a standard that was set by the Saviour. Yes I attended scouts. It taught me some lessons of which 99% were affirmations of what my parents taught me. What the world needs is parents who take upon themselves the teaching of their children instead of handing that sacred responsibility over to the scouts to preform. Be a parent... Teach your kids to build a fire in the rain and the 10,000 other things that are more important. Take your children camping, hiking and swimming. Teach your children what it means to be a good voting citizen of this nation. Teach your children to be prepared, to think critically and to think for yourself after petitioning the Lord for his help. The end result is that they will look up to you, deeply respect, love you and thank you for teaching them without the silliness, participation trophies and favoritism that I recall from the scouting program. Learn your duty as a parent and do it to the best of your ability, to the best of your honor, to your family, to God and to your country and the result will be far, far greater than leaving your duty to others and hoping that they will somehow do a better job than you as a parent could do... After All, it's all about priorities and eternal perspective.

BotMay 10, 2018

Another victim of Political Correctness.

M.I.May 10, 2018

“The status quo in our movement’s membership standards cannot be sustained,” - BSA Pres. Robert Gates, on lifting 'gay' leader ban.

Kevan AshworthMay 10, 2018

It was with great sadness that I read about the end of Scouting in our chapels. I to remember fine strong clean examples of male leaders whose example I try to follow to this day. I was a Cub, Scout, Venturer, leader and Commissioner. It is horrifying to recall that in 2000 they fought to keep Scouting in tact only to give it up willingly years later. Heart broken.



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