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Ron BarnesMay 8, 2016

Without modern methods of preservation, food and drink usually didn't survive long before becoming unusable. Fermentation was used to keep juices from going bad. On at least one occasion the Nephites used wine to get the Lamanites drunk and make them easier to conquer. Many modern wineries make non-alcoholic grape juices and my family enjoys them.

Harold StuartApril 30, 2016

gratefulmouse: The answer to your question is in D&C 89:4: "Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—". Things are different now because of the evils and designs that the Lord mentions. For example, think about the behavior of the tobacco companies, who conspired to addict people to their product. Think about the drug cartels who get their money by destroying people. The same goes for most, if not all, addictive products. The Lord, in his kindness, wisdom and perfect foresight, has given us a way to keep clear of these evil people.

Elliot MorrisApril 30, 2016

Fermented wine was used for the sacrament in the Church for decades in the 19th century. The saints planted vineyards and produced fermented wine in So. Utah at President Young's direction for the purpose of supplying the needed sacramental wine to the Church. This was in compliance with the Lord's instructions in D&C 27:3 and 89:6: Fermented wine was sanctioned for sacramental use, but was to be manufactured by the saints, and not purchased from "their enemies." A common modern misunderstanding is that these revelations approved only the use of non-fermented grape juice in the sacrament. That was certainly not the Church's understanding through out the 1800's. A variety of reasons combined to cause the Church to switch to using water in the observance of the sacrament. My research suggests that, given the latitude allowed by the Lord in section 27 to use water, the Brethren determined that it was not feasible to persist in manufacturing wine for a growing church. You can imagine the resources that would be required to produce sacramental wine for 16 million members. Those resources are much better utilized for other purposes. Finally, the are a number of reasons why the Latter-day Saints are enjoined from using wine and other "strong drinks" that were imbibed by prophets and saints in prior dispensations. The Word of Wisdom speaks of an environment in the last days that makes consumption of such beverages more dangerous than in prior times (the "evils and designs" of conspiring men, etc.). Also, much like the ancient Nazarites, the commandment has set us apart as a people and brought attention to us, in a good way. Our abstinence is an important part of our ability to arouse people's curiosity about the Church and engage them in conversations that lead to presentation of our message. Such has been the case many times in my life. I have been able to teach the restoration of the gospel to non-member friends after I was asked why I don't drink wine, or tea or coffee.

DarrelApril 28, 2016

Why do you think that the wine had to be alcohol not just pressed fruit juice?

John GallowayApril 28, 2016

I was stationed at Griffis AFB near Rome, NY; along the Through-way (Freeway) wild grapes grew along the fences. The article mentioned wild grapes along the third coast; I wanted to inform you of these wild graoes--Vikings mentioned grapes calling their findings Vinland. What do think?

Ronnie Bennett-BrayApril 28, 2016

Thank you for this interesting articles. To critics I will say that I might refer to body armour although I have never worn it and was not alive - surprisingly - when it was a comm[place in the English scene. It does not follow that when I make such a reference that I am being manipulated or speaking folly. I daresay that the Nephites were taught the history of those from whom they were descended, and that figures of speech persisted among them even if the reasons such references were made no longer applied in their new homes. I can speak of the geological ages that obtained thousand, even millions, of years ago, but when I do it cannot be concluded that I was an eye witness of such times. I admit to having a decent amount of years on my back but not only am I not Methuselah, but am not likely to approximate his age. However, I do have an active interest in history, mostly social history of the working poor in the land of my birth and especially in the region in which I was born and more-or-less bred. When I was born the custom of the labouring poor of keeping a pig or hens in their gardens and houses had all but disappeared. Thank you for sharing your insights. Nothing makes history as fascinating as the writings of one that has a feel for the place and time of which they write. May your quill never be blunted and your inkwell never run dry. :)

gratefulmouseApril 28, 2016

it makes me wonder then why we cannot drink wine. maybe we should have a Mormon wine. none with alcohol in it as some wines have alcohol added. we eat many fermented foods...everything we do should be in moderation even food. I don't believe in drinking anything else. I don't drink wine now because of what the church teaches...I do wonder though why Christ drank wine many times along with His deciples.



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