Two other responses I've received:
(1) Thanks for this analysis. I work in the pharmaceutical field, but not in Drug Product, in which this gene therapy jab is associated. I’m also not a bio or pharmacology specialist. But I still get questions from many people. I have been advising everyone who has asked, and my entire family, that they should not have this shot administered to any children (18 and under) unless that child has severe health issues that are likely to result in severe reaction to the Covid infection. The World Health Organization still has the official position that, since children almost never have any significant symptoms, and almost none who don’t have other huge health issues have died, there is no justification for subjecting them to higher risk by administering the so-call vaccine.
I am appalled that the CDC, the FDA and the manufacturers have by-passed all the protocols that have been required for many decades for a drug to be approved. I was able to accept “emergency authorization” for adults, especially those in high risk situations. The rest is just plain irresponsible. I can only assume the following: some have great delusions of power and are now addicted to that; some feel compelled to take this position in order to maintain their positions and jobs (giving in to peer pressure); or greed for the money involved. Remember that reportedly 20 to 25% of medical professionals have not received the jab. Most of those will be or are already out of a job because of their own ethics. If anyone, as a parent, has even an inkling that perhaps his or her child should be administered this vaccine, please fast and pray after as much study of the test results (not just what is touted by the FDA, CDC, and medical establishment).
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(2) Given what was presented in this post (and it seems to have been done in a fairly even handed manner) I would agree the studies were too small, and the time periods involved too short. Additional clinical studies seem to be justified/needed.
I think one point the government administrators and the companies seem to be avoiding is that the main benefit to be derived from vaccinating millions of children is the herd immunity aspect of the process. It needs to be well proven that we wouldn’t be putting those millions of children at an unnecessary level of risk to obtain that benefit – I agree the submitted studies are not rigorous enough to prove that no significant harm is being done.
Debra HessNovember 6, 2021
No Shots for children, that would be risking their lives for too many unknowns.... many deaths have occurred and many teens now have life long heart problems after getting it. Why risk your children's health when the recovery of the virus is almost 100 %! Thank you for the article, and for NOT following the lies from the CDC and from Fauci....it's not about safe guarding the children, it's all about making billions for the drug companies and for those tied into them.
Jacob HessNovember 6, 2021
Megan – you’re right to be concerned about this. I have too – and any faithful Saint should be. You’re right that prophetic counsel will increasingly “break from what the noisy, contentious world tells us is true.” In this case, of course, prophets have agreed with what the world is saying. Regardless, it hasn’t been easy for many to follow. You’re right they have encouraged members embrace vaccination for many things, including COVID-19. But it’s also the case, as they state in their message, that this is predicated on the vaccine being truly “safe and effective.” They simply wouldn’t advise the course if they weren’t assured it was – hence the relevance of this due diligence inquiry.
My primary concern throughout this has been its impact on our faith and unity – and I’ve written about it elsewhere extensively:
https://www.millennialstar.org/to-those-who-love-the-prophet-but-not-the-vaccine/
https://publicsquaremag.org/health/covid-19-vaccination-as-an-abrahamic-test/
(In my experience, Meridian Magazine editors and contributors constantly speak of sustaining the prophet).
Clod Doc – I’m sorry to hear about the health issues you’re having post-vaccination. I do think you’re right we need to have a more transparent, forthright public conversation about that – as Senator Mike Lee and others have called for. Hoping the Lord can lead you to healing.
B. H. Murray – in the very same moment you lay out these stats, others will quote official sources saying “no deaths have been officially connected to the vaccines.” Who is to be believed? Even the post-vaccine deaths and injuries are subject to competing interpretive frameworks and narratives. It’s downright confusing! But post-treatment confusion is something others have explored in great depth (see “Is it me or my medicine” by Boston sociologist David Karp. I’m working on another piece on exactly this – would love to hear what you think.
Tandart – The purpose of this is not simply to spread doubt, but to raise honest questions about data on which millions of parents will not only get their children vaccinated, but likely be forced to. If there were ever a public issue worth critically examining fully, this would be it!
Alan –The financial incentives are obvious. But I do think it’s going too far to say it’s “not about saving the children.” I believe most people on all sides of this really do want to keep people healthy – young and old – they just have very different beliefs about the best way to pursue it.
Really important question, Kevin. It’s true that what we’ve almost always heard is if we don’t act quickly to vaccinate, that failure will *allow* the virus to mutate. The other line of thinking (that you don’t hear as often, but which deserves a lot more consideration) is that it’s precisely when a virus runs into a mass vaccine barricade, that it’s forced to mutate. From the latter view, it’s the mass vaccination itself that prompts escalating mutations – rather than being the key to stop them.
RanaeNovember 6, 2021
The vaccine is what forces the virus to mutate into something the vaccine does not protect against. Natural immunity appears to be protective against all forms of the virus. Without natural herd immunity, the strains that bypass the vaccine are the ones that survive to spread throughout the population.
SandyNovember 6, 2021
The Prophet has "urged" adults to get the vaccine but he has also told us that we need to "hear Him". I think that is what we are being encouraged to do --get our own revelation for ourselves and our family. In order to "study it out in our minds and then ask" we need to have facts such as these presented to us.
Ronald PolsleyNovember 6, 2021
It must be understood that members of the CDC staff resigned in protest over giving this jab to children. Thousands of nurses that insist you get the flu vaccine say no thanks to this truly unproven new system, they are not ignorant and they are not sheep. We are commanded to not blindly follow anyone.
Clod DocNovember 5, 2021
After having the shots, I now have Atrial fibrillation. I have never had heart problems before and when I went to the doctor and suggested that my problem might have been caused by the vaccine he replied that sh*t happens. I don't like that answer and the medications I have to take to prevent a stroke or death. I may just be the 1% that are affected this way, but my quality of life matters.
Since then my wife, immuno-compromised and unvaccinated, tested positive for Covid. She was miserable for a couple of weeks, but survived. I had cold symptoms for 3-4 days. Did the shots prevent me from worse symptoms?? Who knows, but I'm concerned about my grandchildren being forced to take the shots.
Lawrence J SteimleNovember 5, 2021
Glad to see this article and the comments supporting skepticism. And to Tandart, there are experts on both/all sides of this issue. How do you choose an expert? I would rather get the virus than the shot.
Lexie StatonNovember 5, 2021
After watching the Nov. 2 roundtable discussion about vaccine injuries and mandates led by Senator Ron Johnson, and hearing the testimony of Stephanie de Garay regarding the life altering health consequences her 12 year old daughter Maddie experienced by participating in a Pfizer vaccine trial for 12-15 year olds and the lack of reporting/coverup of these incidents by those who conducted the trial, I was left seriously doubting the integrity of the data we are given regarding the efficacy and safety of these vaccines. Additionally, Dr. Suneel Dhand has a video on YouTube detailing disturbing issues in how the Pfizer trials are conducted in some places, and again, I was left with the feeling that these people cannot be trusted. VIGILANCE is needed when it comes to our children and grandchildren.
MeganNovember 5, 2021
My biggest concern is that the prophet himself to us to get this vaccine. I don't see that mentioned here. The counsel we received from the prophet will increasingly break from what the noisy, contentious world tells us is true. And it won't be easy to follow. I wish we heard more of the prophet's counsel from Meridian Magazine.
GregNovember 5, 2021
Fauci has obfuscated on so many levels, he is untrustworthy. Big Pharma is in it for the money, can we trust them? Do I have to even mention politicians? You do you and I will do me.
B. H. MurrayNovember 5, 2021
We hear that the Covid vaccines are SAFE and EFFECTIVE. How effective? We were told that the Pfizer vaccine was 95% effective. Now scientific studies from Israel are telling us the Pfizer vaccine is only 42% effective. People are asked to take two vaccines. Then they found out that those who are fully vaccinated can still get Covid and can still spread Covid, and they are still required to wear masks. Now we are also told we will need to get booster shots every 4-6 months. For how many years will we be asked to take boosters every 4-6 months? Do you call that EFFECTIVE? Now let's talk about how SAFE these covid shots are. Between December 14, 2020 and October 15, 2021, there have been 818,044 adverse events reported to VAERS (an arm of the CDC for reporting adverse effects and deaths from the covid vaccines.) There have been 17,128 deaths. 117,399 of the adverse events were serious injuries. VAERS only reports 1% of actual vaccine effects. There were 1,200 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis in 16-24-year olds. The highest rates are in the youngest kids according to Dr. Meryl Nass. Does that sound SAFE to you? Maybe these numbers are considered statistically safe, based on how many millions of doses have been given out, but when little children have a statistical chance of 0% of dying from Covid, why would anyone want to take any kind of a chance on these vaccines? It is impossible to know what their long term effects will be in many areas, including fertility which will matter to these kids in the future.
JessNovember 5, 2021
I think also honest enough is a valid question- the pharmaceutical company making many of these vaccines has just been caught (again) lying about trial safety data. That’s a hard thing to trust when all of the pharmaceutical companies have paid out billions of dollars in criminal fines and settlements because they were intentionally dishonest and bribed doctors, hid or destroyed critical information from safety trials multiple times. That kind of trust once broken is hard to win back- but here again, there is evidence of dishonesty in the all of the clinical safety trials- but especially the pediatric trials. How can we trust not only our health but our children to serial offenders?
Dale TerryNovember 5, 2021
Thank you for publishing an article that asks questions that many parents have about the data and how it is used. Seems like anyone could take the same data sample and justify any result they are looking for.
TandartNovember 5, 2021
I'm not sure what the purpose of this doubting opinion is. It sounds like a group of penguins who know a sea leopard is out there, but I won't be the first one into the water. So they wait until one of the community falls or is pushed into the water. Then they know whether the predator is there or not.Or maybe one is there but just not hungry at the moment. When I hire an expert to give me an opinion, I plan on taking that expert's advice. Get the shot or get the virus.
Alan WildNovember 5, 2021
The key thing here is what Fauci said, "Even though the chances of (a child) getting sick and seriously ill are small,"
This isn't about saving the children. It is about making additional billions for those purveying these troublesome shots, including Fauci himself. It is time to push back.
KevinNovember 5, 2021
I understand what you are saying. And thank you for the article. But could you address the issue of viral mutation if millions of children are allowed to naturally get the virus and build immunity? Aren't we risking this virus mutating into something that the vaccine no longer protects against?
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Jacob HessNovember 8, 2021
Two other responses I've received: (1) Thanks for this analysis. I work in the pharmaceutical field, but not in Drug Product, in which this gene therapy jab is associated. I’m also not a bio or pharmacology specialist. But I still get questions from many people. I have been advising everyone who has asked, and my entire family, that they should not have this shot administered to any children (18 and under) unless that child has severe health issues that are likely to result in severe reaction to the Covid infection. The World Health Organization still has the official position that, since children almost never have any significant symptoms, and almost none who don’t have other huge health issues have died, there is no justification for subjecting them to higher risk by administering the so-call vaccine. I am appalled that the CDC, the FDA and the manufacturers have by-passed all the protocols that have been required for many decades for a drug to be approved. I was able to accept “emergency authorization” for adults, especially those in high risk situations. The rest is just plain irresponsible. I can only assume the following: some have great delusions of power and are now addicted to that; some feel compelled to take this position in order to maintain their positions and jobs (giving in to peer pressure); or greed for the money involved. Remember that reportedly 20 to 25% of medical professionals have not received the jab. Most of those will be or are already out of a job because of their own ethics. If anyone, as a parent, has even an inkling that perhaps his or her child should be administered this vaccine, please fast and pray after as much study of the test results (not just what is touted by the FDA, CDC, and medical establishment). ************* (2) Given what was presented in this post (and it seems to have been done in a fairly even handed manner) I would agree the studies were too small, and the time periods involved too short. Additional clinical studies seem to be justified/needed. I think one point the government administrators and the companies seem to be avoiding is that the main benefit to be derived from vaccinating millions of children is the herd immunity aspect of the process. It needs to be well proven that we wouldn’t be putting those millions of children at an unnecessary level of risk to obtain that benefit – I agree the submitted studies are not rigorous enough to prove that no significant harm is being done.
Debra HessNovember 6, 2021
No Shots for children, that would be risking their lives for too many unknowns.... many deaths have occurred and many teens now have life long heart problems after getting it. Why risk your children's health when the recovery of the virus is almost 100 %! Thank you for the article, and for NOT following the lies from the CDC and from Fauci....it's not about safe guarding the children, it's all about making billions for the drug companies and for those tied into them.
Jacob HessNovember 6, 2021
Megan – you’re right to be concerned about this. I have too – and any faithful Saint should be. You’re right that prophetic counsel will increasingly “break from what the noisy, contentious world tells us is true.” In this case, of course, prophets have agreed with what the world is saying. Regardless, it hasn’t been easy for many to follow. You’re right they have encouraged members embrace vaccination for many things, including COVID-19. But it’s also the case, as they state in their message, that this is predicated on the vaccine being truly “safe and effective.” They simply wouldn’t advise the course if they weren’t assured it was – hence the relevance of this due diligence inquiry. My primary concern throughout this has been its impact on our faith and unity – and I’ve written about it elsewhere extensively: https://www.millennialstar.org/to-those-who-love-the-prophet-but-not-the-vaccine/ https://publicsquaremag.org/health/covid-19-vaccination-as-an-abrahamic-test/ (In my experience, Meridian Magazine editors and contributors constantly speak of sustaining the prophet). Clod Doc – I’m sorry to hear about the health issues you’re having post-vaccination. I do think you’re right we need to have a more transparent, forthright public conversation about that – as Senator Mike Lee and others have called for. Hoping the Lord can lead you to healing. B. H. Murray – in the very same moment you lay out these stats, others will quote official sources saying “no deaths have been officially connected to the vaccines.” Who is to be believed? Even the post-vaccine deaths and injuries are subject to competing interpretive frameworks and narratives. It’s downright confusing! But post-treatment confusion is something others have explored in great depth (see “Is it me or my medicine” by Boston sociologist David Karp. I’m working on another piece on exactly this – would love to hear what you think. Tandart – The purpose of this is not simply to spread doubt, but to raise honest questions about data on which millions of parents will not only get their children vaccinated, but likely be forced to. If there were ever a public issue worth critically examining fully, this would be it! Alan –The financial incentives are obvious. But I do think it’s going too far to say it’s “not about saving the children.” I believe most people on all sides of this really do want to keep people healthy – young and old – they just have very different beliefs about the best way to pursue it. Really important question, Kevin. It’s true that what we’ve almost always heard is if we don’t act quickly to vaccinate, that failure will *allow* the virus to mutate. The other line of thinking (that you don’t hear as often, but which deserves a lot more consideration) is that it’s precisely when a virus runs into a mass vaccine barricade, that it’s forced to mutate. From the latter view, it’s the mass vaccination itself that prompts escalating mutations – rather than being the key to stop them.
RanaeNovember 6, 2021
The vaccine is what forces the virus to mutate into something the vaccine does not protect against. Natural immunity appears to be protective against all forms of the virus. Without natural herd immunity, the strains that bypass the vaccine are the ones that survive to spread throughout the population.
SandyNovember 6, 2021
The Prophet has "urged" adults to get the vaccine but he has also told us that we need to "hear Him". I think that is what we are being encouraged to do --get our own revelation for ourselves and our family. In order to "study it out in our minds and then ask" we need to have facts such as these presented to us.
Ronald PolsleyNovember 6, 2021
It must be understood that members of the CDC staff resigned in protest over giving this jab to children. Thousands of nurses that insist you get the flu vaccine say no thanks to this truly unproven new system, they are not ignorant and they are not sheep. We are commanded to not blindly follow anyone.
Clod DocNovember 5, 2021
After having the shots, I now have Atrial fibrillation. I have never had heart problems before and when I went to the doctor and suggested that my problem might have been caused by the vaccine he replied that sh*t happens. I don't like that answer and the medications I have to take to prevent a stroke or death. I may just be the 1% that are affected this way, but my quality of life matters. Since then my wife, immuno-compromised and unvaccinated, tested positive for Covid. She was miserable for a couple of weeks, but survived. I had cold symptoms for 3-4 days. Did the shots prevent me from worse symptoms?? Who knows, but I'm concerned about my grandchildren being forced to take the shots.
Lawrence J SteimleNovember 5, 2021
Glad to see this article and the comments supporting skepticism. And to Tandart, there are experts on both/all sides of this issue. How do you choose an expert? I would rather get the virus than the shot.
Lexie StatonNovember 5, 2021
After watching the Nov. 2 roundtable discussion about vaccine injuries and mandates led by Senator Ron Johnson, and hearing the testimony of Stephanie de Garay regarding the life altering health consequences her 12 year old daughter Maddie experienced by participating in a Pfizer vaccine trial for 12-15 year olds and the lack of reporting/coverup of these incidents by those who conducted the trial, I was left seriously doubting the integrity of the data we are given regarding the efficacy and safety of these vaccines. Additionally, Dr. Suneel Dhand has a video on YouTube detailing disturbing issues in how the Pfizer trials are conducted in some places, and again, I was left with the feeling that these people cannot be trusted. VIGILANCE is needed when it comes to our children and grandchildren.
MeganNovember 5, 2021
My biggest concern is that the prophet himself to us to get this vaccine. I don't see that mentioned here. The counsel we received from the prophet will increasingly break from what the noisy, contentious world tells us is true. And it won't be easy to follow. I wish we heard more of the prophet's counsel from Meridian Magazine.
GregNovember 5, 2021
Fauci has obfuscated on so many levels, he is untrustworthy. Big Pharma is in it for the money, can we trust them? Do I have to even mention politicians? You do you and I will do me.
B. H. MurrayNovember 5, 2021
We hear that the Covid vaccines are SAFE and EFFECTIVE. How effective? We were told that the Pfizer vaccine was 95% effective. Now scientific studies from Israel are telling us the Pfizer vaccine is only 42% effective. People are asked to take two vaccines. Then they found out that those who are fully vaccinated can still get Covid and can still spread Covid, and they are still required to wear masks. Now we are also told we will need to get booster shots every 4-6 months. For how many years will we be asked to take boosters every 4-6 months? Do you call that EFFECTIVE? Now let's talk about how SAFE these covid shots are. Between December 14, 2020 and October 15, 2021, there have been 818,044 adverse events reported to VAERS (an arm of the CDC for reporting adverse effects and deaths from the covid vaccines.) There have been 17,128 deaths. 117,399 of the adverse events were serious injuries. VAERS only reports 1% of actual vaccine effects. There were 1,200 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis in 16-24-year olds. The highest rates are in the youngest kids according to Dr. Meryl Nass. Does that sound SAFE to you? Maybe these numbers are considered statistically safe, based on how many millions of doses have been given out, but when little children have a statistical chance of 0% of dying from Covid, why would anyone want to take any kind of a chance on these vaccines? It is impossible to know what their long term effects will be in many areas, including fertility which will matter to these kids in the future.
JessNovember 5, 2021
I think also honest enough is a valid question- the pharmaceutical company making many of these vaccines has just been caught (again) lying about trial safety data. That’s a hard thing to trust when all of the pharmaceutical companies have paid out billions of dollars in criminal fines and settlements because they were intentionally dishonest and bribed doctors, hid or destroyed critical information from safety trials multiple times. That kind of trust once broken is hard to win back- but here again, there is evidence of dishonesty in the all of the clinical safety trials- but especially the pediatric trials. How can we trust not only our health but our children to serial offenders?
Dale TerryNovember 5, 2021
Thank you for publishing an article that asks questions that many parents have about the data and how it is used. Seems like anyone could take the same data sample and justify any result they are looking for.
TandartNovember 5, 2021
I'm not sure what the purpose of this doubting opinion is. It sounds like a group of penguins who know a sea leopard is out there, but I won't be the first one into the water. So they wait until one of the community falls or is pushed into the water. Then they know whether the predator is there or not.Or maybe one is there but just not hungry at the moment. When I hire an expert to give me an opinion, I plan on taking that expert's advice. Get the shot or get the virus.
Alan WildNovember 5, 2021
The key thing here is what Fauci said, "Even though the chances of (a child) getting sick and seriously ill are small," This isn't about saving the children. It is about making additional billions for those purveying these troublesome shots, including Fauci himself. It is time to push back.
KevinNovember 5, 2021
I understand what you are saying. And thank you for the article. But could you address the issue of viral mutation if millions of children are allowed to naturally get the virus and build immunity? Aren't we risking this virus mutating into something that the vaccine no longer protects against?
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