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April 13, 2021

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Jill WilliamsDecember 31, 2020

Thank you Sister Proctor, for this excellent article. I some how missed it before. I will copy this and send this to others.

SteveJune 21, 2020

A most excellent article that all Americans should read. I feel the 'Silent Moral Majority', supports your line of thinking. Its the Gadianton style combinations that are working to destroy the rule of law, our peace and our nation.

DonnaJune 19, 2020

This is the first article I have read addresses the heart of our troubles. For me, this article defines the 'false dilemma' situation we face with so many issues. The 'this OR that' mindset divides us and won't help us find answers to serious issues.

Margie MJune 15, 2020

My children have criticized me for not understanding and being for rioting. I Am in support of peaceful protests. From the beginning I said that the slogan should be ‘All lives matter’ and they think that is racist. Thank you for your Article. I think and feel as you do. I love my children and I also worry about the false doctrines being enforced in Society. I see Gadianton style combinations fully at work against our nation and our peace.

MargieJune 15, 2020

My children have criticized me for not understanding and being for rioting. I Am in support of peaceful protests. From the beginning I said that the slogan should be ‘All lives matter’ and they think that is racist. Thank you for your Article. I think and feel as you do. I love my children and I also worry about the false doctrines being enforced in Society. I see Gadianton style combinations fully at work against our nation and our peace.

Analilí BurrowsJune 14, 2020

Great read. Morgan Freeman, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, Kanye West, and many others are speaking against the narrative of victim mentality and systemic racism. This is an election year and the only thing the left has to offer is fear, racism, hate of America. We need to be brave in our convictions and unafraid to share. Thank you!

Robert Bohacz PowellJune 14, 2020

Another great article. Have you folks ever wondered why so many people have such a variety of opinions on this issue? Please take Sister Proctor's last 2 articles and cross reference them with a General Conference by Elder Delbert L.Stapley of the Council of Twelve Apostles titled, "The Evil and Designs of Conspiring Men." Conference Report, October 1961, p. 20-24. I found it in a "pdf" format on Google. You start putting these 3 articles together, and you will see the bigger picture enfold. A review of the recent General Conference talk by Elder Quentin L. Cook: "The Blessings of Continuing Revelation to Prophets and Personal Revelation to Guide our Live" would be the icing on the cake. Dr. Ben Carson said, it best when he stated, "We, the American people, are not each other's enemies. The enemies are those people behind the curtain jerking everybody's chains and trying to divide us up by age, by race, by income." Let's find out who the Wizard of Oz & Desolations is behind the Curtain and let's take care of that and let's move forward together because "All Lives Matter" to a loving Father in Heaven.

Noah BergevinJune 14, 2020

"He (the devil) always sends errors into the world in pairs--pairs of opposites. And he always encourages us to spend a lot of time thinking which is the worse. You see why, of course? He relies on your extra dislike of one to draw you gradually into the opposite one. But do not let us be fooled. We have to keep our eyes on the goal and go straight through between both errors. We have no other concern than that with either of them."~ C.S. Lewis"It is the orthodox orchestration in applying the gospel of Jesus Christ that keeps us happy and helps us to avoid falling off the straight and narrow path, for on the one side there is harsh legalism and on the other syrupy sensualism. Little wonder that man needs careful and precise help, the guidance of the Spirit, in order to navigate under such stressful circumstances."~ Neal A. Maxwell

Pattie SkousenJune 13, 2020

I have read all your comments and am saddened how this time of confusion in the United States has left us all feeling vulnerable. Your article helped me to understand more fully how people without the gospel of Jesus Christ can always presume the worst. I know that when we as a nation, go back to remembering our God and only serving Him, will we be able to live together in peace. The Book of Mormon proves this over and over again. I have just read the wars again and have tried to see them in our days. Those who didn’t want to live the laws established by the people were destroyed or sent home without their weapons. They had to promise to never come to war with the Nephites again or be destroyed. It was a tumultuous time for Moroni and his army. When do we learn that serving and worshiping our God is the answer.

Lisa GillJune 13, 2020

I have always loved my country and the principals of freedom that were constructed, even if I know it is not a dream fully realized. I am patriotic and feel I live in a land with promise. As a child we would recite the pledge of allegiance, I always changed it to liberty and justice for some. As I have grown older I have become saddened by how lost we have become as a country and ignorant. We get our news from Facebook or news outlets full of opinions and short on facts. Why are people more enraged by looting, than murder. Why are people outraged they feel they have to feel guilty, because they want to go back to saying that is a shame and turning a blind eye to things. Why are people saying we have made George Floyd a martyr, he was on drugs? I could try to explain things, but your eyes and ears are closed. Vandalism and Looting is wrong. However, Agitators, Agressive Police Officer, and White Supremacists have turned peaceful protest and despair in to looting/vandalism. It is working, because your focus has shifted. Victims are turned into villains, so a blind eye is turned to their suffering. The article seems well reasoned but falls short in understanding the issue. The article wants to fight collective and forced guilt. The comments of indivuals are still black and white, everyone needs their descriptors. I am sorry you feel your rights are being infringed upon and you feel inviting racial activism into your home will burn it down. The reverence you feel for the flag, anthem, and monuments is not wrong. What is wrong is not understanding why someone else sees them as a sign of oppression or a promise not delivered.

Bryan PattersonJune 12, 2020

Awesome article! So much truth that I will share with as many as I can!

HeatherJune 11, 2020

Sadly the people that are causing most of the problems in our country don't understand the concept being so eloquently described in this article, much less would even read it because it's easier to jump on the band wagon than to use critical thinking skills and reason to be able to think for themselves. It all comes down to one basic concept: human decency. No we aren't perfect, but what other country can you live in where being able to disagree with the government and protest is a protected right? No, racism is not okay nor is police brutality, but having a police force to protect is better than not having one. We have to learn to take the good with the bad and always be working on improving because that's what we're here on earth for: to learn and grow. But we can't change the fact that people have free agency. We can make laws to govern actions, but we can't stop someone from doing something unlawful if they choose to. All the rioters and people who are wrongfully expressing their anger, are examples of exactly what they are against, ironically, by choosing to break the law. Yes, African Americans have definitely been dealt a pretty bad hand when it comes to racism in U.S. history (my heart breaks the more I learn about it), but there are so many more examples of peoples and groups dealing with racism and prejudice throughout history, not to mention the religious persecution people have endured (regardless of race or color), so they certainly don't have the corner on the market. What has happened can be argued and rehashed forever, but just like any good therapist will tell people who are having communication issues, you can't dwell on the past but learn from it to help you decide where to go from here and look to the future. We've solved a lot of the problems from our past and can continue to solve problems, but we have to start by having respect for others and property and treating everyone with dignity, not tearing down but building up. Thank you for these inspiring words in this article.

TomJune 10, 2020

Well said. Recognizing false dilemmas is essential to rational action.

StephanieJune 10, 2020

Thank you for your article and how if you don’t agree with BLM a you are a racist. As I was researching some information the other day I read that in NYC there are more AA babies aborted then born alive. If BLM matter why are some many of their future generations being aborted. These babies could have been future scientists who could find a cure for cancer, a future teacher that educates the future kids in a way to change the world or even a future President. When you kill your future what are you doing to your race and country.

jkcookJune 10, 2020

In the middle of your article is really questionable, although your conclusions are decent. Most people are like me, they do not agree with the violence, but do agree with the reasons for the demonstrations. I don’t think there is any reason for despair or either/or situations. I feel that we all have to come to terms with our privilege and make changes so that all people can have opportunities.

Mark and Julie S.June 10, 2020

Thank you so very much for this article--and thank you to Meridian for continually speaking truth with discernment. Keep on keeping on. You are doing incredible work!

Mark WhiteJune 9, 2020

My response to this story:https://medium.com/@markwhite_49440/to-help-our-neighbor-keep-their-house-from-burning-down-owning-white-privilege-469c58535ce9

Judith La MontagneJune 9, 2020

This article should be printed in prominent newspapers everywhere, and you should be invited to share your thoughts on TV news programs. What we are seeing on TV is the death throes of the greatest country ever to be formed on this earth. I mourn for its pain, and I pray that our leaders may be able to check the mayhem.

David BirdJune 9, 2020

I thought the piece was one sided, but that's not necessarily a fault. We can't expect everyone to embody every side of every argument. I think the side the author takes is well enough though out and coherent; it takes a side that someone ought to voice. I think the most important thing to understand as members of the Church of Jesus Christ is that we can have very different political ideas, and all still be faithful disciples. We can defend our political ideas vehemently, but keep in mind just because someone else reaches a different conclusion doesn't mean they're not as compassionate or smart as you are.

Mama LizJune 9, 2020

This article says what needs to be said. These are dangerous times and anyone who dares to speak that the emperor is not wearing clothes is at serious risk. Our family has been sucked into this nightmare as one of us made comments that were deemed bigoted for the very reasons you explain in the article. As a result our son's business was targeted and threatened with his livelihood put at risk because someone didnt like what was said. Very hard to stand for truth and righteousness when it's not politically correct.

Joyce M. WestphalJune 9, 2020

Thank you for your well focused and succinct article.

Fay KlinglerJune 8, 2020

Thank you, Maurine. Very much appreciated. Your comment at the end is of great importance. It is something my son has stressed to me. We need to look at many sources and weigh things out for ourselves. One of the gifts of the Holy Ghost is to help us see things as they really are. A great blessing to all who work to be worthy and seek His companionship."In our quest to be charitable and humane and save our nation, we will have to use our intelligence to sift through narratives and see as clearly as we can. It is not a small task, but it is a necessary one."

Curtis MurriJune 8, 2020

Jared Allen I get your basic view point. Unfortunately you chose the wrong example in Collin Kaepernick. He did it to himself as he was wearing his views literally on his sleeves. When you wear socialism and it's messaging not once but may times on your person as you are protesting some made up affront you are going to be criticized. The men he was honoring with his protest did not die because of police brutality. They died of their bad choices when they aggressively responded to the law enforcement officers that responded to their crimes. It is well documented now. Period! He fell for the very thing that Maureen is highlighting in this article. And by the ridiculous standards that have been set by these ideologies Mr. Kaepernick is "white". He is sadly one of the very first casualties and victims of the foul nonsense he has unwittingly espoused.

TerryJune 8, 2020

Thank you Maurine for a beautiful article. It rings true with me. I appreciate the work that you are doing to help us know that the thoughts and feelings which we have at this time are shared by others. Thanks again.

VivianJune 8, 2020

As a Black woman in the Church, I too have a hard time, Luana Wells. My home has been repeatedly broken into by the white criminal element in my neighborhood. My belongings have been stolen, my peace stolen from me. My neighborhood is not poor, nor is it predominantly Black or White, but a mix of the two. Yet White men took a crowbar to my front door to pry it open so they could rob my home while I was at the grocery store. A White man pushed open a ground floor window and took my credit cards, expensive camera, videos and DVD's while I was on vacation. And a White man drove down my driveway one night because the garage door was open and he saw something he thought he could sell. The White men in the apartment building that overlooks my parking repeatedly got drunk and threw food and then glass bottles off their balcony onto my car below. Fortunately, a Black policeman took my complaint and made a visit to my neighbors to demand they stop this destruction. Is this really about race? Should I be blaming all my White neighbors for the criminality in their hearts? Because obviously I have many extremely dishonest White neighbors.

DanJune 8, 2020

Interesting article with a good perspective, although it provides only general acknowledgment of the underlying issues. The history of America is replete with racial issues, from the slave markets of the South to the New York traders who aided and abetted the practice. The underlying discriminatory undertones of American daily culture remain in place throughout the South, the North, the Midwest, and beyond. The return of black soldiers from World War 1 gave rise to tremendous challenges in post-war assimilation, of soldiers and of black men. Also, what is the responsibility that we bear for Tulsa and Wilmington and Ocoee and the hundreds of other times that black people were brutalized just for being black. It would be interesting to read your article about those associated issues. The history of Latter-day Saints in Missouri and Illinois, much less in Ohio, New York, and Pennsylvania should give us pause and then impetus about how best to help America move forward. What response do you have for any of these issues?

ShaneJune 8, 2020

Perfect! Thank you!

MartyJune 8, 2020

I am reminded of President Benson's talk on pride. But in this case, pride to used to justify racism because it allows the proud person to feel superior and to demand superior rights and privileges because of the color of one's skin. I have witnessed that in the Church. I have seen too much of it within the wards where I have lived to ever deny its existence. I have also seen an increasing pride in wealth and education. Unfortunately, within the Church we also like to practice feeling superior to others based upon our pioneer ancestry or the church callings our family members hold. BYU is famous for its young men who wish to date and marry the daughters of the General Authorities, because that places them within "the elite" of the Church. I have heard certain families in the Church, the Marriotts, the Romneys, the Osmonds, referred to as LDS royalty. I even know someone whose child resides in the ward of a member of the Quorum of the Twelve and whenever that child is teaching Gospel Doctrine, her wealthy father flies in from out of state to help her prepare her lesson so she can impress that General Authority with her extensive Gospel knowledge and astute questions. Perhaps it is time for us all to reread President Benson's talk and ask "Is it I?"

NancyJune 8, 2020

I understand that the culture of law enforcement needs changing, but it's not going to happen overnight. In the meantime, is our society going to give way to anarchy? Will those with selfish intent see license to do as they please? Personally I cannot thank law enforcement for "saving" me from an assault, a violent home break in, and domestic violence. What if I was black? Would THEY be the handcuffed ones, unwilling to do anything legal for fear of being condemned?Thanks for having the courage to speak up.

Kristen OpenshawJune 8, 2020

Thank you for this article and your explanation of false dilemmas. An example we just read today is from a CNN commentator: "Pick a knee. The one that knelt on a neck or the one that knelt to try to prevent it."— S.E. Cupp (@secupp)

Duane BoyceJune 8, 2020

There is so much to be said, but I will settle for a simple "thank you." You are providing an excellent voice in a time when excellent voices are not easy to find. So again, thank you!

Jared AllenJune 8, 2020

This article started with so much promise, but quickly devolved into disappointing one-sidedness. Reliance on this Peggy Noonan assertion was the first major misstep: “Most everyone concedes the problem—that black men are profiled and cannot feel safe in their own country. Walking while black, driving while black—Tim Scott of South Carolina has been stopped for trying to impersonate a U.S. senator, which is what he is.” Unfortunately, this just isn’t true. I’m bombarded with messages denying that profiling is a legitimate problem or suggesting that, to the extent it exists, it is justified because minorities are more likely to commit crimes. If most everyone conceded the point, we wouldn’t be where we are. The second misstep was the one-sides emphasis on false dilemmas. Both sides play that card at risk of burning our country down. I’ll give two examples from the other side. The False Dilemma that You Must Condemn Collin Kaepernick or You Are Anti-America Kaepernick engaged in the most American of activities, speaking out against the shortcomings of government. For his efforts, he was branded a pariah and his career was destroyed, not because his employers disagreed its his message, but because the audience base demanded it. Ironically, he was speaking out against the very injustice you now assert that “most everyone concedes.” Constitution loving Americans would be justified in lauding his actions. The False Dilemma that You Must Condemn Protests or You Hate Law Enforcement and America Protesting government abuse is the most American of activities. It is foundational (remember the Boston Tea Party) and it is codified (remember the First Amendment). Supporting the efforts of bona fide peaceful protestors should not be considered anti-American or anti-law enforcement. False dilemmas are most certainly creating problems, but the decision to present only one side of the issue in this article is disappointing.

Robert StarlingJune 8, 2020

Thanks to Maurine for a very well reasoned and well thought-out article. And most of the comments of course are very supportive, as they should be. The thing I don't understand is the presence on this page of a long, drawn-out rant by Marilynne Linford that is mostly drivel quoted from a Black Lives Matter website propaganda piece. I don't see how comments advocating for a "queer-affirming network" (their words, not mine) should have a place in a publication dedicated to the work of our Heavenly Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, which is clearly the opposite of the hatred expressed in that rant. I'm sure that Martin Luther King, Jr. is turning over in his grave at the way his honest work to bring about racial harmony has been hijacked by the left. Today these BLM radicals would be calling *him* a racist! We all need to go back and read his classic "I have a dream" speech to see -as he taught- that ALL lives matter. Any other attitude is "systemically racist".

Susan StoddardJune 8, 2020

Your insight has given voice to many of my feelings Thanks for this great article.

EmilyJune 8, 2020

This was a perfect way to put into writing all that I have been feeling. It is crushing when it comes from people you care about. I don't like the divisive language in Black Lives Matter. Of course they matter but we need to be better together. But I can't say that our I am misusing my privilege. My thought is YOU MATTER. Every individual matters, shouldn't that be inclusive and account for the differences.

bonnie lynnJune 8, 2020

Thanks for your extremely well phrased and logical article. Over simplification of our tragic times appeals to simple-minded folks. May we hold strong as we empathize with others and choose the right.

KARELL BINGHAMJune 8, 2020

Thank you for your insightful article! It really put a clarifying lens on how I feel about what is happening to America!

Rebecca HinckleyJune 8, 2020

It’s rare when an article expresses exactly what I feel, and this is that article! My heart is broken, not only for our country and the false narratives being foisted upon us, but personally by my own children who criticize me in just these ways. Thank you Maureen for sharing your inspired, intelligent insights, and for your courage.

Karen BellistonJune 8, 2020

Thank you for printing truth. Truth matters! And All Lives Matter. I lie in bed worrying about our wonderful country and the destruction that is happening to it. Surely we have government leaders with sense enough to stand up for truth. But I'm starting to wonder.

Sandee CarsonJune 8, 2020

Amen. Thank you for putting into words exactly how I feel.

Buffie BarkdullJune 8, 2020

Thank you Maurine for your thoughtful and well researched article. I know I need to do better. There are definitely more options and alternatives to this deeply troubling issue of racial inequality than burning down our own houses. May the hearts of all of God’s children be softened to come together for rational solutions to these horrific injustices that cannot be tolerated anymore. The present anarchy cannot be tolerated anymore either.

Todd HansenJune 8, 2020

Amen!

Pania HeimuliJune 8, 2020

I am very grateful for your thoughtful and inspired perspective. Please continue to share. I share meaningful content with my children to combat the one-sidedness prevalent on social media.

America’s founding PrinciplesJune 8, 2020

Thank you so much for this very insightful piece. You are a patriot! I fear America is walking a fine line. Don’t be surprised is the 4th of July celebrations end this year-all so very depressing!

Old Tired and praying for strengthJune 8, 2020

I posted an anniversary picture on social media Yesterday and was immediately “educated” about my racism and white privilege because of the composition of the wedding party...and by more than one member. After reading part of the “Educational” recommended reading list, I was sad and without hope that all we have tried to do to work and serve in our lives was useless and our intentions are suspect. Your article gave me hope that individually I was redeemable but I fear America is not. My husband and I will stand firm, alone and isolated. At least we haven’t many more years to live.

BethJune 8, 2020

Thank you for your words. I have felt many of the emotions you describe here because of white privilege. You have articulated my dilemma. I love all people and I value my friends who do not succumb to these false dilemmas.Thank you for articulating this in such a beautiful way.

GinnyJune 8, 2020

This is excellent!!!

Kathleen NewtonJune 8, 2020

Excellent excellent article!

DebbieJune 8, 2020

Thank you for such an enlighting article.

Luana wellsJune 8, 2020

This is a very difficult time for me. I have taught my children to be kind to everyone, I have had their friends in my home and pool. I love my black Ward members and the black sisters I work with in the temple. I have fed the homeless. I have no problem with individual people. Where I have problems is forgiving the young men who took baseball bats to my car, or the two men who mugged my stage 4cancer patient daughter and stole her purse, identity, credit cards she had paid off and her car that she had paid for the month before. Financially challenged because of her health she lived in a mostly black apartment complex. She noticed children without anything to do so she gathered toys, games, jump ropes and chalk for their entertainment....until someone stole it all. I am fearful for the United States and ready to see the end of this turmoil.

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