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Randall McNeelyApril 23, 2016

Just another tidbit from Teaching No Greater Call - another LDS Church Produced, General Authority reviewed, Corporation of the First Presidency stamped manual: Lesson II: Keeping the Doctrine Pure: Use Church-Produced Lesson Materials To help us teach from the scriptures and the words of latter-day prophets, the Church has produced lesson manuals and other materials. There is little need for commentaries or other reference material. We should study the scriptures, teachings of latter-day prophets, and lesson materials thoroughly to be sure we correctly understand the doctrine before we teach it. Teach the Truths of the Gospel and Not Other Things When Alma ordained priests to teach those he had baptized in the waters of Mormon, “he commanded them that they should teach nothing save it were the things which he had taught, and which had been spoken by the mouth of the holy prophets” (Mosiah 18:19). When the Savior’s twelve Nephite disciples taught the people, they “ministered those same words which Jesus had spoken—nothing varying from the words which Jesus had spoken” (3 Nephi 19:8). As you teach the gospel of Jesus Christ, you should follow these examples.

LoriMarch 10, 2016

How are you qualified to know and understand what the "optimal diet" is for anyone?

Jane BirchMarch 10, 2016

Thanks Randall! I heartily agree with you that we should use common sense and humbly seek the will of God as manifested through the Holy Ghost and the Lord's prophets and apostles. I just hope your confidence in the student manual will not be a stumbling block to hearing the word of God. I'd love for you to contact me if you'd like to continue this discussion! https://discoveringthewordofwisdom.com/contact-me/

Randall McNeelyMarch 10, 2016

Hi Jane, I appreciate your response. I also appreciate you pointing me to your article, which, by the way I had previously read. You've obviously spent a lot of time looking at this subject. Bravo for your efforts to encourage people to eat more healthily. Your book, at least the first six chapters, is what pushed me eat healthier and more closely follow the Word of Wisdom. However, having said that, I cannot agree with your interpretation of D&C 89 on many fronts. For me, to understand what D&C 89 means to me and my family, I rely on three things. First, common sense. Second, the guidance of the Holy Ghost. Third, the guidance of prophets and apostles - those whom the Lord has appointed to interpret His word. Does that mean I don't read what scientist and others, like yourself are saying? No, of course not. I’ve read a lot of the China Study and several articles by Dr. Campbell as well as Dr. McDougall and others along with several of your articles. What it does mean however, is that I run everything through the filter of the Holy Ghost, prophets and apostles. If what I have read aligns with what the Spirit makes me feel and what the prophets and apostles have taught, I accept it and move on with gratitude. If not I reject it and move on with gratitude. With regards to the church manual publication process, from you response, though I’m sure you didn’t meant it this way, it sounds as if you believe the Church allows things to be published in their name without solid scrutiny by general authorities? Is that what you meant to convey? I have friends that have been involved in the publication of two different manuals. Each publication took years to complete. Why? Because of the intense review process by committees made up of general authorities. Why the intense process? The reason is that before anything gets published with a copyright by The Corporation of the First President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, it goes through a very thorough, meticulous review to ensure that what has been written and is being presented for publication aligns strictly with the word of the Lord as revealed through his prophets and apostles. Are the publications perfect? No, and changes are made from time to time, as you mentioned to make minor corrections. However, again, any changes made go through a strict approval process. A note of interesting fact - the quote I gave in my previous has is still there and has not been revised in any way.

Edith Rifenbary WhertonMarch 9, 2016

I would feel a lot more confident reading the advice here if the author had a degree in nutrtion. Her site says its better not to have one. Hmmm wonder how that works in say.... medicine or nuclear physics?

Jane BirchMarch 8, 2016

RANDALL: I can see why some people believe the D&C Student Manual is approved by Brethren and the text is endorsed by them, but this is not true. These manuals are written by good people who are trying their best but who often make mistakes that later need to be corrected. Even the introductory paragraph before Section 89 in our D&C was revised in 2014 based on more recent scholarship that showed the previous version was mistaken in some respects. The topics you mentioned are all addressed in this article, if you are interested: https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/getting-into-the-meat-of-the-word-of-wisdom/. DEBBIE: What an awesome story! Thanks for sharing. So glad you are doing so well!! CANDICE: From a whole food, plant-based perspective, all the fats we need are in the "wholesome" plants the Lord ordained for our use (see: https://meridianmag.wpengine.com/article-1-14585-2/). If you are interested in not just reducing but eliminating the arthritis pain, this information may be useful to you: https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/health-science/featured-articles/articles/diet-only-hope-for-arthritis/.

CandiceMarch 8, 2016

You did not make a distinction between good fats and bad fats. You just kept saying that fats are bad. Maybe fat from meat is bad, but we need to eat fat, it just needs to be good fats, like olive or coconut oils, not inflammatory oils, like soybean, canola, peanut, etc. I have Rheumatoid Disease and when I eat those two oils, I hurt a lot less (which means it helps bring down inflammation).

Debbie BakeMarch 8, 2016

After reading some of Jane's articles, I decided to at least eliminate meat, but still loaded up on the sugar and fats. I couldn't see any difference in my health. I finally decided to experiment by eating a strict vegan diet. I'd love to share what has happened since making what I thought would be a very hard transition. It has been so easy to eat all the grains, fruits, vegetable, beans, lentils, split peas, etc. Watching Dr. McDougall's videos and making foods from his recipe books and learning from his online free lectures has made a huge difference. (If interested, you can check out his plan by typing the words "dr McDougall diet" into your search engine.) Even those who say they hate any food considered healthy have loved these nutritious foods. The real plus has been regaining my health in two important areas. No more fibromyalgia and osteoarthritis pain! So many other benefits with skin, weight loss, etc. I look forward to other health problems clearing as I continue to fill myself with spiritual food more than previously addictive foods. Even if eating meat without any restriction or guidelines were endorsed by the Lord, I am so grateful for eating in such a way that allows freedom of movement and a clear mind. Bless you, Jane, for your wisdom and courage to speak your mind.

Randall McNeelyMarch 8, 2016

The following quote is from the Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual. In reading it, keep in mind that these manuals are run through committees of general authorities and ultimately approved by the First Presidency. D&C 89:12. Flesh Is to Be Used Sparingly “The Word of Wisdom is not a system of vegetarianism. Clearly, meat is permitted [see D&C 42:18]. Naturally, that includes animal products, less subject than meat to putrefactive and other disturbances, such as eggs, milk, and cheese. These products cannot be excluded simply because they are not mentioned specifically. By that token most of our foodstuffs could not be eaten.” (Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, 3:156–57.) D&C 89:13. “Only in Times of Winter, or of Cold, or Famine” This verse has caused some to ask if meat should be eaten in the summer. Meat has more calories than fruits and vegetables, which some individuals may need fewer of in summer than winter. Also, before fruits and vegetables could be preserved, people often did not have enough other food to eat in winter. Spoiled meat can be fatal if eaten, and in former times meat spoiled more readily in summer than winter. Modern methods of refrigeration now make it possible to preserve meat in any season. The key word with respect to the use of meat is sparingly (D&C 89:12).

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