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Tom BoyceOctober 22, 2014

Joy, peace, and lasting happiness doesn't come from telling Heavenly Father what you want. They come from asking Heavenly Father what He wants

Anna Ruth ChristensenMarch 17, 2014

Why do you question the Lord's anointed priesthood holders' callings? Men and women have been given equal love and important callings by Him as we sojourn on the earth and we will also know His equally great love after we leave this existence!

MaryannJanuary 5, 2014

Brother Ogden, your article rings with a truth that cannot be denied. It is so perfectly written that there can be no doubt that you were led by the Holy Ghost. I love these truths and The Proclamation on the Family grows more dear to me with each passing year. I love our Prophets and Apostles and feel so secure and confident in their guidance. What a peace this can bring to the women of the church! As we come to understand how much the Lord has blessed women and continues to bless us, we will never feel less than we are or inferior to men. I am so grateful for the many opportunities for growth and developing my God given talents that have come through my membership in the church.

Barbara N. BybeeOctober 26, 2013

I see it as a "division of labor". We as women bear the children and that is a blessing men cannot do. Neither men or women must do it all. We are both blessed with equal capacities.....I'm sure most men would not want to usurp the great role of women.

Judith MillwardOctober 20, 2013

How do we teach young women that preparing to marry in the Temple is preparing to hold the Priesthood? It isn't only for men, as motherhood isn't only for women, but it is both together that are required for the salvation of mankind.

ME734October 11, 2013

I can completely understand why a woman would want to lay hands on and bless her children, her husband, her visiting teaching sisters. I can understand why she would want to act as a witness at her child's baptism. These are all things she could do and still fulfill her role as a mother. Especially in light of what women are promised in the temple.

Stephanie ArgyleOctober 11, 2013

Thank you Kelly Ogden for writing this article. I completely agree that Christ IS at the head of this Church and that the priesthood is a blessing to both genders. I totally support and sustain our Church leaders, male and female. I LOVE being a member of Christ's true Church upon the earth. Your article has helped me confirm what I already know and deeply feel is true. So thank you!!! I have posted this on facebook because I know so many who struggle with this topic right now.

Liz AckermanOctober 10, 2013

Kate Kelly's comments starting with "I believe" and "we consider" would seem to sum up her position. It is all about what SHE as a person thinks and feels. Nowhere does she appear to consider what Heavenly Father thinks or believes, nor does there seem to be any effort on her part to find out. Does she think that women are further qualifying themselves to receive the priesthood by "agitating" to force their way into Priesthood session and disregarding the numerous statements on this subject by many priesthood leaders?

Debbie MenconiOctober 10, 2013

Excellent article.

MandiOctober 9, 2013

What makes me sad is that these words, though they may by true, this Organization will hear it with closed ears and hearts and maybe even twist the meaning implied just as I noticed from their website that they have twisted the words of the prophets. Women do have power, women can use the priesthood and women are equal to men in the church just as the proclamation states. It truly is interesting how Satan deceives the hearts of many.

Jenny InfangerOctober 8, 2013

This was a wonderful article. Thank you. I think my only addition would be that in my recent reading of the Ordain Women "movement" I have heard reference to the word "agitation" having come from Presidency Hinckley's taped news interview a number of years ago (I would to look up the exact reference). u=Unfortunately I think these women see this as a sort of "righteous" agitation, almost like Pres. Hinckley was giving them permission or opening the door for this, that they think he was meaning--"well, if you ask then maybe it will happen...but since you haven't then, no, women don't have the priesthood right now." I personally think they are taking this out of context and misinterpreting Pres. Hinckley. And I think Sheri Dew's quote and the reference and Dr. Ogden's mention of the priesthood in the temple is right on.

Raymond Takashi SwensonOctober 8, 2013

Anyone who thinks that "agitation" led to President Kimball asking the Lord about ordaining men of African ancestry does not remember the actual conditions in 1978. After it became clear to Americans in general that Mormons clearly supported the civil righs and equality under the law of Black Americans, the denunciations and demonstrations stopped. The very different "priesthood" that operates in the LDS Church was a concern only to people who belonged to the Church. But among the members, there was a vast consensus that we were ready to accept and implement the ordination of black men, and many of us knew faithful black brethren in our wards and stakes, and in the missions where we taught and baptized them. The enthusiasm with which the announcement was received confirms this. There were black members in the US, Brazil and elsewhere who were faithful and ready to receive the priesthood. And President Kimball knew that fulfilling the Lord's commandment to take the restored gospel to all the world would require that change. One point that people often ignore is this: blacks are not the only ethnic or racial minority in the US. The Church sought to baptize and ordain American Indians from its inception, and Pres. Kimball's father was president of a mission to Indians. The church has been actively recruiting in Latin America for over a century. The first mission in Asia was opened in Japan in 1901 by Heber J. Grant. We have been baptizing and ordaining Polynesians since 1844. People of African descent were the only ethnic minority that was excluded from ordination. By contrast, the idea of ordaining women is not widely supported by Church members, and it is not at all clear how doing it would be necessary to fulfilling any of the missions of the Church. If it were to happen, the first to be ordained would be the leaders of the RS, YW and Primary that share the stand during General Conference. The analogy between.ordaining black men and ordaining women does not hold, because 1978 did not happen.because.of "agitators" and demonstrators holding press conferences and doing stunts to draw negative news stories about the Brethren. It came because of faithful people who were prepared to receive the priesthood, and a broad desire in the hearts of all members to see it happen, in the way Simeon waited patiently in the temple to see the Messiah.

CarolTurnbow StallingsOctober 8, 2013

Thank you. You are right on target. God lives, Jesus is his son and our savior. His true church is on the earth today and is lead by a true and living prophet. We have been given the great blessing and gift to be lead by him who holds all the keys of the Priesthood of God. We have the blessing and ability to enjoy all the promises and blessings of our Father in Heaven. These blessings are available to all who have or ever will live on this earth. I thank my Heavenly Father for this knowledge and gift. I personally know these truths to be true. Carol Turnbow Stallings

Neil LoffhagenOctober 7, 2013

I posted a comment last Thursday, but for dome reason it has not yet appeared. I didn't think it was the type of post that would warrant not bring posted? Anyway what surprises me most about the comments on this post is the judgmental and personal nature of many of them. And here am I judging the other posts!! What a conundrum. Make comments supporting the status quo if that is your wish, but please don't get into saying how bad people who have different views are to you are. Isn't that one of the conditions of posting here anyway? I wonder why people are getting so worked up by those who are seeking for women's ordination. If you really don't like it leave it alone and then you won't have to worry about it. I think Luke's comment above has been the best "Who am I to judge my sister, when I walk imperfectly In the quiet heart lies hidden, sorrow that the eye can't see."

Not What but HowOctober 7, 2013

The question these women are asking is a perfectly legitimate question and it has been asked many many times. In my experience, the church welcomes honest questions. So I have never understood the need for public displays and drawing media attention to questions of faith. As I looked into the Ordain Women movement I began to doubt the honesty of those women who began it. In the FAQs on their website there is a misleading answer to the question "Why engage in public actions?" I encourage you to read it for yourselves but it basically claims that women lack access to the leadership of the church simply because they are women. This suggests that the offices of the prophet and other leaders are screening their calls and filtering their emails in order to deny access to Mormon women. This is a grossly false assertion. This is an ugly lie. Asking an honest question is expected. Public demonstrations are warranted if your questions are ignored. But I know from personal experience that people do not get ignored by the leadership of this church, especially on such a ridiculous basis as gender. Nothing good can come from actions rooted in a lie. I hope their fruits will be known.

Rhonda nortonOctober 6, 2013

Dear Kelly, thank you for expressing wonderful doctrine that I love. You always articulate many of my feelings. Iam eternally grateful to be a women in the Lords church who shares in all the priesthood blessings and ordinances, but does not have the very large responsibility of administering them. My worthy and faithful eternal companion is always ready and worthy to use his priesthood power to bless all of us and others.

Lesley-AnnOctober 6, 2013

Wonderful article thank you :-) It amazes me how many members of the church fail to remember it's the Lords's church not president Monsons or any of the other prophets gone before and they and the apostles speak on his behalf! If you don't like it take it up with the Lord, but be warned he does not bow to peer pressure! Sadly when people openly question subjects like women and the priesthood or gay marriage in way to gather support it shows a lack of testimony and understanding of the Lords doctrine and is the start of apostasy!

JulieOctober 6, 2013

Too many eggshells being walked on over a portion of the gospel that is well understood by God and those who have a testimony of the gospel. There are those that are on their way out if they do not humble themselves of their pride.

Peter K BellvilleOctober 5, 2013

I am reposting here a comment I made on Maurine Proctor's article on the same topic: In my opinion, women will never hold the priesthood in the same sense that men do and here is why. Adam and Eve served as proxies for men and women and we accepted them as our proxies which is why their consequences became our consequences. Likewise, Christ served as our proxy in the Atonement. He suffered that we might not. When we accept Christ as our proxy His atonement becomes efficacious in our lives. In the temple, men serve as proxy for Christ behind the veil. Patrons perform work for their ancestors by proxy, men for men and women for women. I see a pattern here that I call the "proxy principle". This is not pronounced church doctrine but my own observation that men serve as proxies for men and women for women. When men perform priesthood ordinances they are serving as proxies for God. A holder of the priesthood must be male because he is proxy for a male god. Women cannot be proxy for a male god. In the temple, men and women are foreordained for the next stage of existence to become "Kings and Queens, Priests and Priestesses", but men are not foreordained to be queens or priestesses anymore than women are foreordained to be kings or priests. I believe the distinction is more than just grammatical gender agreement. I believe the distinction actually reflects different roles. I know this is not taught explicitly by the church authorities but the proxy principle seems consistent with church teachings and practice. While this may seem unfair to the sisters that a priesthood holder must be male because he serves as proxy for a male God, the principle has implications for the sisters in their roles, if they will consider it. For a woman to aspire to the priesthood would be an affront to God the Father for their presumption of His role and also an affront to Heavenly Mother for their inconsiderate rejection of Her role. In summary, I believe women will never hold the priesthood because a woman can't be proxy for God, who is male.

MaryannOctober 5, 2013

Oh, good grief!!!! This issue has been made crystal clear by our Prophets, Seers and Revelators. Do we really need to hash it all out again? The best thing we can do is to ignore these silly women who would seek to draw attention to themselves on a holy day that is dedicated to receiving the "voice of the Lord" from HIS Prophets.

JamesOctober 4, 2013

P.S: I see several people here misquoting or misconstruing doctrine regarding marriage. I invite anyone interested in these topics to read "Equal Partnership in Marriage" from the April 2013 Ensign if you have not already done so. Clear and concise, it is an excellent article that illuminates the Church's current doctrine and dispels common misconceptions.

JamesOctober 4, 2013

There is a fundamental difference of perspective I see reflected in the comments here which is causing some of us to misunderstand each other. A person who looks at the world from a doctrinal or theoretical perspective will examine the teachings of the church and conclude that men and women

CharissaOctober 4, 2013

Thank you for a very inspiring article. I feel uplifted by the sentiments and will print this off for future reference.

BobOctober 4, 2013

My feeling is that if the Lord desires that women hold priesthood "offices", that is fine with me (they, of course already share priesthood "power" with men, so there would be no change there). I am, however, concerned with a viewpoint suggesting that the priesthood office represents a "glass ceiling" no different that any other worldly limitation. If this is Kate's perspective, I would suggest that a different rational is required. This is the Lord's work.

shaneOctober 4, 2013

one of the great foundations of true religion is the relationship between God and His children. Revelation and confirmation of truth to the individual who has complied with the right principles they know to be right and they live those principles in purity, open the windows of heaven to recieve additional instruction (line upon line). consequently, there are many spirits that have gone abroad in the earth.. we can judge them by the fruits they produce. Secondly, many are called but few are chosen-- meaning the call goes forward to all, the chosen are qualified by acting and fulfilling the duties they have been given. Shall we aspire to leadership>? Shall I rise from my position and demand to be the prophet? the Stake president? or any position? no..these are ordained and called of God by God.. the same is this so called entitilement to priesthood by many.. no one can be led by God who demands to have His power.. This was Satan's original plan.. GIVE ME THINE HONOR.. so lets all take the opportunity to reach heavenward, humbly, and receive confirmation of correct principles, follow them, and live according to them.

JadenOctober 4, 2013

Kudos to Luke, man. Couldn't have said it better. To the many commenters, what is so wrong about a woman just asking the question? It's not like there are ladies picketing outside the temple foaming at the mouth. To the author: good article. Very measured for such an (apparently) touchy subject. However, you keep calling men and women "equal but different." And I feel it necessary to point out that it is very, VERY easy to believe there is not a problem when you are not part of the population feeling marginalized. You may believe sexism does not happen in the church, but you're also a man. Sexism has pervaded practically every culture in every time period throughout Earth's history. Let's reasonably admit it may be present in ours as well. I look at the church which (I personally believe) is true. But I do see that sometimes women are called to positions like nursery much more often than men. This isn't doctrine: it's a dogma. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say "ah yes, put the women with the babies. They're better at it anyway." I have seen women tell a hilarious joke from the pulpit and gotten no response, while their male counterparts can make lame puns and people at least indulge them with pity laughs. I've seen women get the 3rd degree for showing up to church wearing nice slacks instead of a skirt. Again, this is all dogma, not doctrine. I can see where little things start to become big things that drive ladies away from the gospel. It's hard to feel the spirit when you only feel judged.

LukeOctober 3, 2013

Who am I to judge my sister, when I walk imperfectly In the quiet heart lies hidden, sorrow that the eye can't see.

LizOctober 3, 2013

First off, Something that these women should understand is just because they are protesting to get the priesthood doesn't mean that God is going to give in and be like "oh alright." The matter of women receiving the priesthood is not up to the Prophet, but up to God. Secondly, We women do not need the priesthood. The men have it because they need it to be able to mature and to serve something that we as women already do and is in our nature. Thirdly, if these LDS women understood what they received when they were sealed in the temple to their husbands they wouldn't protesting. Go study and learn more. Those women who believe we need to have the priesthood to be equal to men don't have the self confidence that they should. Lastly which church on earth is the ONLY church that believes women will become Goddesses?

WadeOctober 3, 2013

Just a few things: I am one Mormon, among--but not the same as--millions of other Mormons. It's important to remember we don't all need to think in the same way; we don't see through a singular lens; we're all at different places of our unique faith journeys. "Jesus broke social norms..." Exactly. He did. He might do that again. Ordain Women is asking for the Brethren to ask the Lord about this. It is apparent, if you read church history, that women, at times, have had a MUCH greater priesthood role than they do now. "He is in charge of how it is organized..." Yes. He is. I think people want to put God in a box, and force him to fit their restrictive mold, rather than allowing God to work, even in ways we wouldn't expect. Is it not possible that he might say, "Yes, Brethren; the women should be serving in greater capacity?" "....so a man cannot fully exercise the power of the priesthood to establish an eternal family without a woman." Lip service. A man could run the whole church, even if there were no women around. But if there were no men present, but there were lots of ladies around, those ladies, while plenty capable, wouldn't be able to run the church." That's not equality in anyway. To suggest the church values men and women equally is a bit of a stretch and requires the use of false equivalencies in our language. Let's be honest. There may be better ways for Ordain Women to have their questions answered, or to be able to have a place at the table. I give you that. However, I disagree with the implication that the thinking has been done and that the questions aren't worth asking, or that they shouldn't be asked. I don't believe in blind acceptance of anything that comes out of the mouths of church leaders either. We're all entitled to personal revelation, and sometimes that's a check and balance on what the GAs say. We are to be loyal to truth and the God. We are not to be loyal to men or organizations.

Matt AveryOctober 3, 2013

Well said, Bro. Ogden.

JodyJOctober 3, 2013

Do you wonder if President Hinckley is totally regretting his comment about "agitating"? I do not think he intended his comment to encourage the contentious behavior that the OW movement has started. Yes, it is our responsibility to take our doubts and questions to the Lord. But when people publicly make demands upon the prophet and question his ability to receive revelation for the Church, their actions mirror the definition of an apostate. Don't tell me you're just doing what Emma did. Emma didn't like cleaning up tobacco juice and was complaining about it (yuk--so would I); she did not demand that Joseph make a commandment regarding it, nor did she question his prophetic calling over it. And those who claim President Kimball was the first prophet who was "open-minded" enough clearly are not aware of the prophets who preceded him, who prayed on the subject and wept that the time had not come yet. If you think President Monson hasn't already prayed about this, you're wrong. If you can't accept his answer from the Lord, find another church, because you obviously don't accept him as a prophet.

Kevin JKOctober 3, 2013

I asked Elder Oaks at a stake conference why women couldn't be Sunday School Presidents. They don't exercise priesthood in their callings and have no line authority. He said that he didn't know and that was just the way it's always been. Women may be denied certain callings for no good reason. We need to open more callings to women. Also, was Emma an "agitator" when she went to Joseph about having to clean up tobacco juice? Should she have simply kept quiet and waited for Joseph to figure it out or wait on the Lord?

SylwiaOctober 3, 2013

I have just recently stumbled upon the ordain women movement. I read their blog post about it and then I listened to a podcast where the lady who founded the movement answered every question and criticism about the movement. I expected myself to disagree with her, but I was so impressed with her answers and I felt the Spirit in everything she said. Now I support the movement. These women are incredible. I am a very active member of the church, and I am not easily swayed by anyone. But there is truth and value in what these women are fighting for.

JaniOctober 3, 2013

Brother Ogden has been such a great teacher of LDS doctrine and scriptures for a long time. I have enjoyed his wisdom and insights for years, and my life has been richly rewarded by his way with words. Those abilities are again validated through this article. Thank you Brother Ogden for teaching us truth once more. I think there was once long ago in heaven, a similar battle for power and it's subsequent glory by one not called or chosen by God. Sisters, let us enjoy and magnify our callings as mothers in Israel. That should occupy all of our time, and be the biggest blessing in this mortal life. Then we will be worthy to be called up and ordained queens and priestesses in the celestial realms. Really, what more could we ask for.

RobOctober 2, 2013

The bottom line, in my opinion, is the motivation behind the cause. If sister Kelly is coming from a place of love for the Lord, and is truly seeking to improve the options for service available to women, then perhaps this is part of the Lord's plan. What better way to inspire important conversations than by taking actions that are provocative enough to attract attention? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, no? The 1978 revelation on priesthood was delayed by the Lord. Was it wrong to talk about the day when blacks might one day receive the priesthood prior to 1978? Or does the Lord put some responsibility on members of the church to prepare their hearts individually to receive more truth as a group? From FAIR: Sometime between 1968 and his death in 1970 he (Pres. McKay) confided his prayerful attempts to church architect, Richard Jackson, "I

AlishaOctober 2, 2013

I have to say I really enjoyed reading all of the comments here, more than the article itself. Thank you to everyone who respectfully expressed their thoughts and opinions. I feel I learned more about people who's opinions are different than mine, because of the respectful way that they were shared. Thank you to all for your thoughts!

LindaOctober 2, 2013

As a woman in this church, I have always felt valued and like I have a tremendous influence on decisions made in both my home and in my ward/stake. As I have many friends in other religions, I can say with full confidence that our church asks more of its women than other churches ask of their men! The influence women have and the respect received in the LDS Church is HUGE! I feel that some of these "agitating" women are allowing too much of the world's influence affect their understanding of WHAT the priesthood is, HOW it is used to bless others, and the ACCOUNTABILITY that comes with it. The fact is, the Lord's ways are NOT the same as man's ways and trying to second-guess the Lord, His laws, and His Prophets is treading on thin ice.

MJDOctober 2, 2013

We read in the Proclamation that motherhood = fatherhood, and we learn in the temple that priesthood = priestesshood. So it is pretty clear why women might think they're going to get the priesthood someday.

BeccaOctober 2, 2013

Holding the Priesthood and procreation are both sacred powers, but I wish the two weren't equated so often. Any worthy man can hold the Priesthood, but some women, regardless of personal worthiness, will never marry or experience being a mother.

Ruth WatsonOctober 2, 2013

"If we want to feel safe in these troubled times, follow the prophet. Stay with the Brethren, the leaders of the Church. President Spencer W. Kimball declared:

My Mormon OpinionOctober 2, 2013

Some comments have tried to say that fatherhood, rather than Priesthood, is the actually he equivalent of motherhood. However, I may become a father and receive the blessings of fatherhood, but I will never bear a child as a mother will; I will never give birth, but I get to share in parenthood. Similarly, my wife shares in the Priesthood and it's blessings but without holding or bearing it herself. I love the idea that for all of us to receive exaltation, we must receive our first birth from our mother, & our second birth (baptism/ordinances) from a Priesthood holder, and then share temple marriage covenants only as man and woman together. I believe THAT is true equality in the eyes of God and His prophets. My conclusion is that both parenthood and Priesthood are shared equally by husband and wife, but they share in it differently from one another, with each presiding over different facets of each.

AmyOctober 2, 2013

I wonder if, for the sake of argument, the Prophet and the 12 Apostles were to enquire of the Lord, whether or not women should be ordained to the Priesthood, and the answer was "No," what then? What becomes of the cause? Will women who claim that "nothing less will suffice," be content with that answer?

Deborah CollingOctober 2, 2013

The church reversed its position on Blacks and the Priesthood and has officially recounted everything they said on the topic. Joseph Smith ordained Blacks, but Brigham Young would not. In the early days, women gave blessings with the laying on of hands. I believe we need to remain open minded and ready for change in the church. There is much room for questions and discussion. There is no room for contention. If we focus on sincere gospel living, we will be able to accept whatever comes in the future and we will be able to respond to those who raise difficult questions in a manner pleasing to our God.

Kevin ClineOctober 2, 2013

I just read Chris

MikiOctober 2, 2013

Women are the gate to mortal life. Through the Priesthood, the men hold the authority from God to be the gate to Eternal Life. We are all born by blood, water ("my water broke") and sacrifice (much pain of the physical body and sometimes death) through women. All are born to the kingdom of God through the blood and sacrifice of Christ and the waters of baptism. Look at the similarities. Let the Holy Ghost confirm to you that Heavenly Father is perfect. His knowledge is perfect. His wisdom is perfect, and His plan is perfect. He has made all things to remind us that He lives and is there. Women are not slighted in the least by not holding the priesthood. We were given the wonderful opportunity to sacrifice our bodies, in similitude of the Savior, to bring life into the world, and we would gladly do it again and again. Christ obeyed His Father's will, and sacrificed Himself so that we could all be "born again" and baptized, be given the Gift of the Holy Ghost, be endowed and sealed in the temple (all through the priesthood held by men), and go back home to heaven when our earth life is done. With women giving mortal life, and men holding the authority from God (the priesthood) through the atoning blood of Christ to give eternal life, in the end, it makes perfect sense to me.

Kevin ClineOctober 2, 2013

Revelation can and has come from non-prophets asking the prophets to ask the Lord about certain issues; the Word of Wisdom being the big one that comes to mind. However, just because the prophet receives a revelation with the answer that the asker was looking for does not mean that it is given for the same motive that the asker is claiming. We do not know (and the declaration has careful words to let use know this) what made it ok for blacks to receive the preisthood, but it does not mean, as many seem to be suggesting, that it was an erroneous practice for 150 years. Has anyone considered increased inter-racial marriage as a motivation for the doctrine repeal? How do you decide if a 25% black man can receive the priesthood or not? I

StephanieOctober 2, 2013

A simple answer to those who do not understand the connection between motherhood and fatherhood, and the priesthood: The priesthood is the power of God. Yes, many in the world procreate without understanding where that power comes from, but that does not mean that they are not using the power God put in us to do so. (In fact, many misuse this power. Nonetheless, it is God

MarkOctober 2, 2013

>>The Ordain Women group is simply asking our prophets to go to the Lord with open hearts and ask a question. And if the prophets came back, said they had inquired, and the Lord's answer was "no," then what? Would the Ordain Women movement dissolve and disband? Or, like Martin Harris did with the 116 pages, would they ask the prophets to petition the Lord again and again, hoping that He would eventually give them the answer they want to hear? History and scripture both show that agitation for doctrinal changes always stem from an attitude of "my will, not Thine, be done." The agitators always begin their arguments by professing their faith and belief to establish their credentials as faithful followers, but always go on to explain why they are right and the prophets are wrong. This movement is no different. It is following the historical and scriptural pattern to a "T" and the end of that road is known. Follow the prophets. If the Lord wants to give the priesthood to women, He will do so when He thinks it's wise to do so; but it won't come in response to "agitation."

shannonOctober 2, 2013

Just as Kate believes that God wants us all to equally share the burdens and blessings of the priesthood, so do I. Unlike her, though, I believe that I ALREADY DO SO.

MominZionOctober 2, 2013

Funny- the quote "I would surmise that if any persons in the Church have an issue with women not receiving the priesthood by ordination, then they are not attending the temple." is interesting and truly minimizes the issues. I feel women should be able to give blessings and to minister to others as they did back in JS's time. (Read the Nauvoo Minutes online). I am an RM, very active, attend the temple regularly- as well as volunteer monthly in the temple office. I cannot be an ordinance worker because I have been told the "policy" is that I can't until my children are out of the home/18+. Even though I am there for the same time and shifts as the ordinance workers. This policy is not the same for the brethren. It is ironic that whether it is in the temple ceremony or even serving in the temple, I don't feel equivalent. God's policies are sometime man/culture made and He allows them to play out until someone agitates (blacks receiving the priesthood). Brother Ogden- read Neylan McBain's FAIR article and you will see why sisters feel unequal and feel the need to "agitate". Also- our beloved Prophet President Hinckley was the one that said that the sisters weren't agitating.

Bdrummer20October 2, 2013

Let us all remember that we are loved sons and daughters in the eye's of our Father in Heaven. Though I understand the need for equality not only within boundaries of sex, but of racial equality, I also understand that our Father in Heaven has a plan. As Sons and Daughters of an Almighty King, we need to understand that our will is not nor will it ever be the will of the Father. For too long have we lived in a world filled with instant gratification, living off of our wants rather than our needs, ignoring the principle facts of salvation merely to express our wants and desires. Let us not forget that though we have agency, and we are blessed with the ability to choose, our paths, our Natural Man paths are not the wants and needs of an Eternal Unspotted King.

AllisonOctober 2, 2013

While many of us may not agree with these women about the ordination of women, I do think the Ordain Women movement brings up VERY good points about gender equity in the operations of our church. We would do well to re-examine how women are treated, regardless of whether or not women are ordained. I agree with other commentators that are appalled by the author's implication that these women are not attending the temple. I doubt that's true. These women are correct for asking sincere questions.

Marni ZOctober 2, 2013

I hope this is the day. We've known for generations that we are to become priestesses and have not had a path to put our foot upon. It seems right that the people who should be behind this request should be the women. This is the right way to show the Lord that we are ready to become what we are meant to become.

ChrisOctober 2, 2013

to me, this is the key quote: "...nothing less will suffice." OK- that to me seems like it is setting ones own will as preeminent over God's will; probably not advisable. On the other hand if we could insure that not one soul would be lost... never mind. The intentions are good, if only there were another way, the easy way, the way we want - is there no other way? of course there is, but whose way?

NadiaOctober 2, 2013

I love this article it puts into words how I feel about the subject. I feel that if you feel the need to ask then do so but if the answer is no or not at this time why keep pushing the issue. I love that my husband holds the priesthood in our family because it allows me the opportunity to ask for his help in many things and it gives him the chance to serve me and his daughters. I feel that sometimes in the search for trying to make woman equal to men we forget about the men. I love how there are special sessions for the young woman and woman of the church and I feel that the men deserve that same opportunity. As a mother to two daughters I hope to teach them about the power of woman and the amazing opportunities that they will have as they turn to priesthood holders in their lives for help.

MHOOctober 2, 2013

To those who say Ordain Women just have a concern and a question, there is more to it than that. They have already received an answer they do not accept.

Matt EllsworthOctober 2, 2013

First off, hi to Dr. D. Kelly Ogden. It is good to see your face after many years, and it is comforting to find that we are still of one mind. My personal position on the matter is that the Lord can reveal what he wants to reveal on the matter, even ordaining women if that is his will, but from what I have seen of the native dispositions of men (males) and the more peaceful and, well, spiritual dispositions of women, I have to believe that it would only take one generation for men (speaking broadly and not individually) to let women run the Church while they, without the be-like-Christ lifelong academy we call the priesthood to shape them, would tend more exclusively to Church Basketball and similar activities.

JessicaOctober 2, 2013

Thank you. I think the misunderstanding comes with the word "EQUAL." To be equal doesn't mean to be IDENTICAL. You could have a 5lb bag of flour and I could have a 5lb bag of sugar and the scale would be EQUAL though the contents are completely different. We each have our own responsibilities, if it be the Lord's will, the women in the gospel will have the priesthood, in HIS time, not ours.

EmilyOctober 2, 2013

My husband currently serves in the military and is frequently deployed, meaning I am left to fill both roles as mother and father during his absences. Too often I am the protector and sole decision maker in the household. I'm not sure I can explain this correctly, but because he is the priesthood holder, his absence isn't felt as strongly. Even thousands of miles and months or years apart, he still has a place in our home. I am relied upon as protector and keeper of the household, he is protector and keeper of the family. His presence is still felt in the home, and I don't see how that would be possible if we shared the same exact roles. We have different responsibilities and are more unified because of it. In these situations, people too often confuse "sameness" with equality. We're already equal, we don't need to be the same to accomplish what we already have.

Ralph C HancockOctober 2, 2013

Very nice work, Kelly -- powerful, clear, unflinching. Thanks for taking on a subject that is "sensitive" for many and laying out the truth so forthrightly.

Robert SlavenOctober 2, 2013

I honestly don't know how I feel or where I stand on the issue of whether women should be able to be ordained to the priesthood. But I'm very frustrated when the author of the article, and so many of the commenters here, says that what these women are doing is somehow unacceptable or inappropriate. We should all remember that MANY great things we have in the church and gospel today -- from the Relief Society to Sunday School to Primary to the 1978 revelation on the priesthood! -- came about after the Brethren gave prayerful consideration to ideas and concerns RAISED BY INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH. Women who wanted to help those building the temple made a proposal; Joseph Smith accepted the proposal, made some changes, and implemented the Relief Society. Primary and Sunday School were experiments in individual wards that were later adopted by the church globally. And the 1978 revelation came after decades of heartfelt, sincere, and honest prayer by many many individual members of the church.
These women have a concern, and a question. They are talking, they are discussing, and they are praying. They are asking us, the other members of the church, and they are asking the Brethren, to join them in their prayers, and to seek the will of the Lord in these matters. I don't know if they'll get the same kind of answer that President Kimball got in 1978, but I have nothing but support for them in their effort to express their desires and concerns in this manner. And I'm disappointed with those who dismiss their efforts.

DoTheRightThingOctober 2, 2013

With everything that women already do ... WHY in the world would we want one more thing to be responsible for? I don't see the men knocking down the doors to come to the general Relief Society meeting or weekly Sunday RS. It's sad that women have to feel like they "have to have" the Priesthood. Do they not realize and learn in the temple that we, married to a worthy Priesthood holder, already have the Priesthood in a sense through our husbands? Like the article say's quoting elder Ballard, 'then they are not attending the temple.' So sad that the world is turning to what it is. I know it's prophecy being fulfilled, but really? C'mon!

DaveOctober 2, 2013

My comments are too long, but I agree with some of what you say here and yet also feel you missed the mark in a few places. A few quick points, Joseph Smith encouraged us to speak up and ask questions, so I feel these women are not wrong to ask, though I'm not sure the way they are going about it is the best way. I also notice that in their wish to have equality with men, it troubles me that they seem to have no desire to make men equal to them. They wish to have their cake and the Priesthood too. I do not see them working to get their husbands into the Relief Society. For more of my view, please read my thought in the article linked below. Please excuse my typos and errors, I'm dyslexic and have no editor. https://learnaboutchrist.info/women-and-the-priesthood/

charlieOctober 2, 2013

I had the same feeling as Brother Ogden as I've read and pondered the idea of ordaining women to the priesthood. I have felt that I needed to stand for my beliefs and express my feelings that not all LDS women want to be ordained to the priesthood. How can Kate Kelly assume that the majority of LDS women want what she wants. I would not assume to stand for a group of people who have not expressed to me the same thoughts and feelings that I have. I can understand the push for an idea if the majority want it. Otherwise I would say it is my issue that I need to address, not everyone's. She seems to me to be saying that if you don't feel the way she does that somehow you are not intelligent enough or understand enough to want what she and a small group of LDS women want. I would say she does not have my permission to represent me or the majority of LDS women. The idea also occurred to me that as we stand together as women of the church, we could be fulfilling the words of our former prophet, Spencer W. Kimball, who said, "Much of the major growth that is coming to the Church in the last days will come because many of the good women of the world (in whom there is often such an inner sense of spirituality) will be drawn to the Church in large numbers. This will happen to the degree that the women of the Church reflect righteousness and articulateness in their lives and to the degree that the women of the Church are seen as distinct and different

Sarah BrownOctober 2, 2013

I've spent a long time thinking about this issue, and quite frankly, haven't settled on an opinion. I have always been a very active member of the Church, and loved being a woman, however, there are a few things that have started to bother me. First, I went through the Temple about two years ago just before I got married, and I struggled with how women were portrayed: as Queens and Priestesses, yes, but to their husbands, rather than God. That really bothered me, but I continued to go to the Temple an hoped I would eventually understand. Sadly, I have not yet found peace with it, so I can't really agree that if you go to the Temple you won't have problems with the way things are set up. Second, the comparison of motherhood and priesthood seems like a false comparison to me, because it seems that motherhood and fatherhood should be the comparison. Third, I think I wouldn't struggle so much with men holding the priesthodd and women not holding the priesthood if so many decision-making callings did not require the priesthood. Certainly, I believe the men who hold these callings are doing their best, but, if we believe, as the Church states, that men and women are inherently different, and that's a good thing, it seems we should have more opportunities for women to contribute their unique and important abilities to the decision making process. Anyway, those are the slightly scattered thoughts that have been bothering me recently.

MJDOctober 2, 2013

Would I like to lay hands on my child and give them a blessing when they are sick? Absolutely. Or act as a witness when my child is baptized? Yes. Or stand in the circle when my child is blessed? Yes. Or lay hands on a sister in my ward about to go onto labor and pronounce a blessing? Yes! I could do all these and still have time to be a faithful mother. I am grateful to Sister Kelly for her boldness on behalf of those of us who sit next to you all every Sunday in church but say nothing.

Kevin JKOctober 2, 2013

I asked Elder Oaks at a stake conference why women couldn't be Sunday School Presidents. They don't exercise priesthood in their callings and have no line authority. He said that he didn't know and that was just the way it's always been. Women may be denied certain callings for no good reason. We need to open more callings to women. Also, was Emma an "agitator" when she went to Joseph about having to clean up tobacco juice? Should she have simply kept quiet and waited for Joseph to figure it out or wait on the Lord?

Marlene BretiOctober 2, 2013

What a well-written article. It really hurts me to the core to realize that there are 'unhappy' and 'agitated' women within the Church. We have so much to offer and are so valued - Sisters (you who are agitated) dig deeper into the gospel, live it, love it, and please do not look for agitation. Satan is the author of contention, confusion and agitation. I am a woman and give thanks daily for my role in life. My blessings have been many.

JenOctober 2, 2013

While I do not specifically desire women to be ordained to the priesthood, I would like to say the following: Motherhood equates to fatherhood, not the priesthood. And one can be a father without the priesthood. Many women are not mothers and certainly not when they are 12 (the age males receive the priesthood). Motherhood does not equate to the priesthood and vice versa. Our prophets have told us that women have motherhood, but the two cannot be equated.

KyleOctober 2, 2013

What an excellently written and reasoned article. Thank you Brother Ogden for sharing your thoughts on this! I will share this article with anyone who is interested in better understanding this issue.

MarieOctober 2, 2013

I Love the church. I know the gospel is true. I like things the way they are--less stress for me. I did bless one of my children once when he was sick and my husband wasn't home. I would not want a man to be relief society president. Women are different and we do have sensitive issues that need to be discussed with women only. Many primitive cultures have organizations for men only and women only. Culturally, modern American society has lost something in not separating the genders for certain things. I went to an all girl's high school and college. I was taught by Catholic nuns. I think I was strengthened and encouraged, and taught to be capable and sure of myself as a person and as a woman. I think men need a sacred organization that is only for them, so they can focus on the job of being a man. Priesthood does that. Still, I think it's perfectly OK to ask Jesus and see what He thinks about it all. The world is in kind of a mess right now, maybe He needs women to help out more than they already are. On the other hand, maybe He needs us to keep doing what women have always done, by nurturing, soothing and protecting life. Whatever He decides, we should do. We are His work and His glory. We need to trust that.

Marcos TodorojoOctober 2, 2013

As I have watched other sects falter and bow before the demands of women desiring the priesthood, I have sought the doctrinal basis of our "narrow" practice, but did not locate the remarks of Elder Ballard. This article is a spon-on, wonderful statement of my own concerns

KathyOctober 2, 2013

The only agitators for blacks in the preisthood that did any good were those within the first presidency and the 12 apostles. If anyone thinks the prophet and apostles haven't already asked the lord about this subject many times, I don't think they have much faith or confidence in them, and wouldn't believe an answer from them. These women are seeking nothing but public attention and will not be satisfied with any answer but the one they want. Sometimes the Lord's answer is "No, or Not Now." Does anyone believe they will stop "agitating" if they get these answers directly from the prophet? They are contending with the church leadership, and contention only has one source. I am a single woman with no children. I do not in any way feel inferior to men in the church. I understand my role in God's plan, and know that Men cannot fully exercise the priesthood without women. There's a reason bishops and stake presidents must be married. If one truly understands the temple covenants and what is behind them, they will know exactly why a man cannot fully exercise the priesthood without a woman. I have enough responsibility in my life, and in the church. I don't want any more, and these women speak for a very small minority of the women of the church.

JacquelineOctober 2, 2013

Several thoughts... 1. Bro. Ogden's article is one of several excellent ones that I have read on this subject. Each has brought different understanding and I appreciate his time and effort to write this. 2. Meditating and studying about the Plan of Salvation brought this insight, we are here on the earth for two purposes, to receive a body and to receive the ordinances of the gospel. Women, through their ability to give birth, do the heavy lifting for gaining our bodies. Men, through the Priesthood, do the heavy lifting to gain the ordinances of salvation. In creating bodies, men have an important, but much less demanding role. In the saving ordinances, women also have an important but less demanding role as it is only in the temple that they help with some of the saving ordinances. No one can do any of these things for themselves. We are all dependant on others for our bodies and for the saving ordinances. 3. It is here on earth that we begin the process of creating our eternal families. Both a man and a woman are required to create life. Both a man and a woman are required for the sealing ordinance that gives us the opportunity to return to God our Father. Neither a man nor a woman can return to His presence without the other. 4. While men have ultimate responsibility for church administration, in this church we all get opportunities to administrate. This whole discussion sounds a lot like an Elder's Quorum President complaining because he isn't the Bishop. And many Elder's Quorum Presidents never will be Bishops. Many men will spend their church lives primarily in teaching callings. Should they also be agitating for their fair turn. Should they scoff at the idea it's not where we serve but how? Are a righteous woman's prayers for her family members less powerful than a Priesthood blessing? Are we as women so greedy that rather than rejoicing in the unique ways we have to serve, we must gobble up the unique contributions that men are given to serve? 5. Contention is always from the father of lies. Always! A previous poster commented on how the way this is being approached is contentious, and it is. Sister Kelly says she supports the prophet. He has said women will not be given tickets to a meeting that is not for them. That is a no from the prophet. But she is going to be in line anyway. With a press conference scheduled for when she is turned away. That is not sincere questioning or seeking. That is not support. That is a temper tantrum. In public. How embarrassing. For Sister Kelly.

JoelOctober 2, 2013

Someone has probably already mentioned this and it was hinted at in the article but it's interesting to consider that men are not allowed in the temple without holding the priesthood; while women don't need the priesthood to officiate in and perform temple ordinances. Women already have all the priesthood authority they need just by being righteous women. "How, exactly, does a wife share her husband's priesthood power?" Simply stated in the scriptures: "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh." (Mark 10: 7-8) If they are indeed one flesh then whatever the man has the woman has also.

Geoff irelandOctober 2, 2013

The real contribution in this article for me lay with the comments from Elder Ballard and Sis Drew. It appears to me clearly that women act with priesthood authority in our Temples and further they 'run' more than 50 percent of our Church population, Primary (all our children), Young Women's and Relief Society. In my view they should be more involved in our Ward administrative structures.

C HamsonOctober 2, 2013

When I heard about this group, the first thing that came to mind was the conference address given by Elder Ballard which was quoted in this article. One important idea that brings me personal peace on the matter is the fact that my beliefs are not going to be shaken by sisters being ordained or not be ordained to offices of the priesthood.

JecOctober 2, 2013

Seriously, in this crazy world we need all the institutions that we can get where women and men need each other. I need my husband to practice his priesthood, and I think deep down he needs to know that I need that from him. If he doesn't take out the trash and it sits there too long, I end up doing that job because I am able...

SharonOctober 2, 2013

As a convert of 43 years, I have never felt inadequate, oppressed or unequal to the Priesthood. I simply cannot understand what this "movement" is really about. Does being a "Priesthood holder" automatically turn a woman into a more valuable, more powerful person? Do these sisters feel that their efforts are pressing the Lord into an action that He has not yet (if ever) authorized? What does ordination really mean to them? It seems to me that these well educated, well trained and once knowledgeable women do not understand the basic tenets of our religion. If they did understand through the Spirit, there would be no need for their actions. If they do NOT understand, it seems that they should walk away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the divinity that is within it and find an organization that frees them to title themselves as they wish. Simply asking the Prophet to pray about the matter is a long way from the actions of this group who do not speak or represent me. I have been in many leadership positions in the church but have never felt anything but gratitude for the Priesthood of the church. If Sis. Kelly truly understands and loves the church, why would she want ordination to the Priesthood? I think that it isn't ordination that she and others desire, but headlines.

MHOOctober 1, 2013

To Em: A woman is given priesthood power and authority for every calling she has. The priesthood is the power of Jesus Christ. Women have that power. They don't have many priesthood responsibilities that men have.

SuzanneOctober 1, 2013

At first I was going to jump in like so many, I realized it had all been said anyway, but I got to thinking...I wonder if this came from sisters who like many that have delicately been mentioned. There are those of us, that I think Satan could tempt and deceive on the subject, without realizing it. I was married in he temple for 20 years. We lost a baby about midway and then a teenage son to suicide, another almost the same way from grief. I caught My husband internet dating and he had not been faithful parts of the time at the beginning as well the middle. No I do not know details as to how far things went, but he abandoned us months after our son died. Left and left the state. after a year I filed for divorce, with much reluctance since I had promises of children born under the covenant to be returned to us to raise during the millennium. Only to have the Priesthood gone from my home, while scrapping to survive. I am now remarried to a wonderful man who is not a member of the church and therefore not a priesthood holder. It does leave me feeling a sense of lacking. I was very concerned about marrying this man because of the Priesthood, but with time in the temple and counseling with my Stake President and RS Pres., I received an answer that I was to marry him. It still hasn't changed that sense of loss. (He is investigating) I can't help but wonder if some of these sisters following sister Kelley are coming from a place many don't relate to. I think it is hard, but instead of giving into those feelings...I hang onto my Faith, that the Lord knows me, that my Heavenly Father is aware of me and that somehow the Atonement will right everything. Things will make sense, while now, there is none to be found. For now I must trust in the Lords words and teachings, whether his or his servants. May the tender mercies of the Lord reveal to these sister's what they need to not be deceive and lulled away to another path.

Angie HOctober 1, 2013

In response to Em's question on how a husband could possibly need a wife to exercise his priesthood power, I'd like to throw in my perspective. When I listened to Elder Ballard's talk when he stated this, I immediately felt like I knew what he meant. Here's why: Every moment I spend with my husband has a vibe...sometimes we're really happy with each other and have a great thing going, and sometimes we're at odds, divided or even angry. I find that the happiest times are when I'm willing to put him first and be less selfish...quietly picking up his socks when he knows I hate to see them lying around, rather than getting upset with him for the thousandth time of leaving them on the ground. He has the same choices...overlooking the accidental dropping of my phone that will now cost us $100 to repair a cracked screen rather than expressing frustration that I should have been more careful (which I have been known to say to him PLENTY of times). (He actually called around to repair shops and took care of it for me, something I would never have thought to do for him.) What I'm getting at is that we both contribute to the happiness of our relationship. And when both of us are the most giving, we can best perform other demands placed upon us. For example, we were in an argument on a Sunday morning and I was teaching the Relief Society lesson that day. The lesson was horrible, from my perspective. I believe the Lord wouldn't shortchange the audience because of my weaknesses, so hopefully the women got something from it, but the Spirit was just not there on my end. The same is true of how well I nurture and support my children. It is SO much easier when the foundation of our family, my husband and I, are united and strong. The same is true for him and his priesthood responsibilites. When we're happy, the Spirit can freely flow, providing the revelation and insights he needs as he offers a blessing or presides in a quorum meeting or sits in a council. It's difficult to describe how powerful it feels to have a strong, loving spouse behind you as you go about your church responsibilies. I definitely need him to be my best and I believe he needs me in the same way.

fanuOctober 1, 2013

Kou fkamu pe keke mau ha mahino ngofua I hoo kau ki he ongoongo lelei ka koe mea oku ou fkamu keke mau I agree with eld Ballard koe nounou mahino ngofua ia teke mau ae answers to you question love you from my people in tongan,be patient the Lord loves you

DebiOctober 1, 2013

Women are not denied any power. The Old Testament speaks of a Prophetess named Deborah. The only limit LDS women may have is a lack of faith and receiving the Priesthood would do nothing to change that. All of the spiritual gifts of God are bestowed upon those who seek to know our one true God. Women act with Authority in many capacities. Did you ever doubt the powers that Sherry Dew talked about, or Julie Beck? Dissension is Satan's tool and it does not come from the Lord. Sister Kelly and her entourage need only to look deeper into their own hearts to find what they are missing.

CurtOctober 1, 2013

This article and the majority of comments are deeply saddening because they parrot the articles and statements rationalizing the now-discredited prohibition against blacks holding the priesthood. In that woeful period, people who spoke out against the ban were accused of not following the brethren. Yet the brethren were wrong, as acknowledged by Elder McConkie when he said they were acting with "limited understanding." The revelation on the priesthood came when sufficient members and one wonderful prophet pleaded with the. Lord to lift the ban. When sufficient members and wonderful prophets truly decide to obey the Second Great Commandment and love their neighbors -- and sisters -- as themselves, the Lord will grant the blessing just he did with blacks.

BethanyOctober 1, 2013

This article has included everything that I have researched about this issue and is stated so perfectly. Thank you for publishing this in such a loving manner.

SpitifireOctober 1, 2013

Thank you for your wonderful insights; I couldn't agree with you more. That being said, there are many instances, usually based on a Bishop's perception that a woman can not/should not do certain things within the Church because they are women. A prime example is women saying prayers in Sacrament Meetings. This is/was a cultural issue and as far as I know, at one time, was part of the Bishop's handbook. I'm not advocating for women to hold the Priesthood, I do not want it! But I do think some of the cultural perceptions regarding women need to go away. In our stake, a previous SP had a wonderful public affairs rep who was a woman. But the current SP states only a Priesthood holder can have that calling. I felt I needed to post these examples of how there is a disparity of women's roles in local units and stakes. For me, these issues do not shake my testimony but as a former RS president, I have had many women question decisions sourced in culture and not fact/belief/truths.

EmOctober 1, 2013

" so a man cannot fully exercise the power of the priesthood to establish an eternal family without a woman. In the eternal perspective, both the procreative power and the priesthood power are shared by a husband and wife." How, exactly, does a wife share her husband's priesthood power? How does he need her to exercise it? To have children? That's the procreation thing. Not the priesthood thing. I honestly would love an answer to this.

srmOctober 1, 2013

"EdwardJ makes this comment Women and the Priesthood Tuesday, 01 October 2013 In Joseph Smith's day, any church member could ask him a question. Often, he went to The Lord and came back with a revelation in answer. The Ordain Women group is simply asking our prophets to go to the Lord with open hearts and ask a question. We believe God will yet reveal many great things. Which of us can say with certainty what those things will be? The prophets said for 100+ years with great certainty that black men could not hold the priesthood, then one day things changed. Things may change here, too." This is incorrect. they repetedly said that the day would come when they (Black Men) would receive the priesthood

AmyOctober 1, 2013

It was President Hinckley who used the word "agitate" in response to why women do not hold the priesthood and why no revelation has come--because there is no agitation for it (google interview with David Ransom). Despite what some would suggest, this is not an issue of wheat and tares, this is simply two different ways of approaching the revelatory process, both of which are found in both scripture andin the history of the church.

HeidiOctober 1, 2013

I love Brother Ogden's article and the inclusion of the words of our Apostle, Elder Ballard, who makes this issue clear, exact, and unquestionable. Enough said. Let's get on with living and serving, temple attendance and visiting teaching.

AllisonOctober 1, 2013

Thank you for your article. The way that the Lord has organized His church is so beautiful and perfect, I would not want it any other way. It surprises me that the request to have the priesthood can be so short-sighted. Is it not obvious, that were it even appropriate to petition the Lord to change the way He runs His church, making this change would alter so much that we love? Would it be fair for women to have the priesthood when it would seem inappropriate for a man to be a Relief Society president? Would it not seem odd to have a man directing the Lord's organization for women? Could a man understand and relate to women in the way that a female Relief Society president does? Of course not--he is not a woman. In like manner, it seems a little bazaar for a woman to want the priesthood. We have equal, but different blessings and opportunities and I would not want it any other way. I love and value and respect the priesthood just as I love and value and respect myself and my womanhood.

ShareeOctober 1, 2013

I am not a fan of the Ordain Women movement. However, I get very upset when people equate Priesthood for the men with Motherhood for the women. I'm sorry, but many of us are NOT mothers. So what does that make us--chopped liver? Motherhood equates to Fatherhood, and you don't need any priesthood or any kind of worthiness at all to do either. Endowed women do hold the priesthood (at least that's what my bishop told me when I got y first temple recommend)--it's just different from the men's priesthood. In the future, women may play different roles in church government and have higher offices, but that will be in the Lord's good time. Until then, I do not feel inferior to any man, in the church or before the Lord. I believe Sister Kelly and her followers are misguided.

Mike H.October 1, 2013

There's been situations, emergency & otherwise, where LDS women have been with someone that needed a healing blessing, but had trouble find Priesthood holders to do so. Also, Pres. Hinckley refused to close the door on women eventually being ordained in the future.

MarilynOctober 1, 2013

I used to feel similar to this woman. Then I became a mother and grandmother and my understanding has increased. I would rather have my current responsibilities than any priesthood holders'. If she wants more meetings to attend, more evenings away from the family, more responsibility for others' problems then she needs to pray to be a Relief Society President.

Margaret BOctober 1, 2013

Read the article on this by Neylan McBain...google it...on tbis topic..another great slant on this, from a gospel perspective. This article here is well-written and I have said many of these things myself in response to this "movement."

Lisa LeavittOctober 1, 2013

To have a question or heartfelt concern is not the issue. This group has presented their concern to the First Presidency for consideration ... then .. they continue with public broadcasts and interviews, writing public letters, articles and doing Podcasts on the issue. They utilize social media to put forward their thoughts much uses of the words "discrimination" "hypocrisy" "wanting the Prophet himself to personally answer them" in the comments (I've read them). Now they have acquired funds from "donors" so they can fly or be driven to Salt Lake to stand at the doors of the Priesthood Meeting asking repeatedly to be let in and stand in line for tickets on hallowed grounds. These actions are contentious, public and worldly. There is no harm or disdain in having a true concern, there is when it turns to public shows to reach approval and backing.

DenaOctober 1, 2013

Thank you so much! You articulated my thoughts exactly.

DoreneOctober 1, 2013

I am a divorced woman who is strong and self reliant. 50-60 years ago - women were not allowed to own property, have a job and were considered the "weaker" sex, one to be protected. I do not understand why, if a woman so chose, a woman could not attend the Priesthood session. Men attend our meetings, so why not let women attend the Priesthood session if they so chose. I, personally, would not want to hold the Priesthood. I've seen too many households where the woman pays the bills, fix meals and takes care of the children. Why would I want to have to take care of church affairs also?? Just my two cents.

Marilyn ThompsonOctober 1, 2013

Thanks for that article. I think if every women did her own study and prayerfully took her concerns to the Lord, each could receive her own answer instead of following someone else.

Me743October 1, 2013

How could any woman who has gone to the temple doubt that we are absolutely equal!? In the temple we make the exact same covenants and receive the exact same blessings! Anyone who thinks that God has placed man above woman and woman is somehow subject to him is just not paying attention in the temple.

Jim JenkinsOctober 1, 2013

Nicely stated. Seeking to counsel God is never productive. Just think how much good for women, children and men could be done with all that effort, energy and zeal, instead of "agitating." As we have learned in conference talks, if we get one degree off course, the farther we go the more distance we place between ourselves and arrival at eternal life that we all should hope to achieve.

Cindy AllisonOctober 1, 2013

Very well written reasoning of what I also feel. Thank you for taking the time to respond in such an excellent article. I agree with Elizabeth. Sister Kelly doesn't speak for even a majority of LDS women.

Katherine KrugerOctober 1, 2013

My husband and I were having a discussion about this recently, after hearing about it from friends. We both agree that any church which is created and organized by God cannot bow to the pressure of its members. I wouldn't be able to trust a church who was willing to change some of the most fundamental parts of its organization, based on the complaints of a few members. I would feel a comfort in my choice to follow the church leaders, if I knew that their choices were made by a higher power, not the squeaky wheel.

GenetteOctober 1, 2013

Thank you. I've never questioned the importance of my role in my HeavenlyFather's plan. I'm grateful for the priesthood in our home and that my father, my husband, and my son bless our home. I'm also grateful for the lovely role of my mother and daughters in our homes. Thank you four your concise and unaired discussion of this subject.

GenetteOctober 1, 2013

Thank you. I've never questioned the importance of my role in my HeavenlyFather's plan. I'm grateful for the priesthood in our home and that my father, my husband, and my son bless our home. I'm also grateful for the lovely role of my mother and daughters in our homes. Thank you four your concise and unaired discussion of this subject.

Robert L NortonOctober 1, 2013

Wonderful article in true Dr. Kelly Odgen style. Informational, Loaded with doctrinal references and written in a way not to offend one who may differ in opiinion.

MollyOctober 1, 2013

I am a sister ordinance worker. I may not hold the priesthood but I have been set apart to use it. If our Heavenly Father wished for women to hold the priesthood, we would. The church is not a government and the prophet is not the voice of the people, he is the voice of god. So these women can kick and scream all they want. At the end of the day the church will be exactly what our Heavenly Father wants it to be. If these women feel that it is wrong, then they should go and seek a religion where social pressure has a priority. Questioning the leaders of the church is a lack of faith. Supporting them no matter what your personal opinion may be is a leap of faith. I choose to leap, not lack.

Sherry R.October 1, 2013

But to be really equal and fair, men will have to bare children as well. What will we do then? I had enough on my shoulders when I bore and raised my children by myself. I even had to do some of my husband's priesthood responsibilities as well. Way too much of a burden to do both!

AWOctober 1, 2013

The recent addition to the D&C states that "Church records offer no clear insights into the origins of this practice [of denying the priesthood to blacks]. Yet for generations that practice was "explained" and justified doctrinally by endless well-intentioned people. The same could be said for women.

Kolin BishopOctober 1, 2013

Interesting information except the end. Why question people's temple attendance? Church members always love to speculate on what other members are/are not doing.

Elizabeth GundersenOctober 1, 2013

This makes me sad that there are women in the church who feel left out. I love the men in my life who hold the Priesthood and respect them - but I have never felt like second class. In fact I feel more blessed being a daughter of God! Being a mother and wife and daughter brings me so much joy and fulfillment. It's God's way and I know who is at the head of the church and I love it!

Lisa ReisingOctober 1, 2013

To Charles Martin, and many of like mind, who say "we shall see" - if you look at the chain of events that led to the priesthood being extended to all worthy male members of the Church in 1978, you will find no "agitation" in the history. There may have been questions and discussions between worthy members of the Church and the priesthood leaders of the time - but there was no "agitation" by a body of activists inside the Church as we have seen in this current movement. The revelation was extended to a prophet who had been pleading with the Lord for some time, knowing the humble hearts of those affected. Yes, many of us may be surprised if what you suggest comes to pass, but of this I am certain - it will not come in the form of a demand to the Lord made by prideful people. And all this is but a side note to the excellent message Brother Ogden has articulated here - to which there seems to be a fundamental disconnect by some in comprehending it.

Rebecca JensonOctober 1, 2013

What these agitators, women forget we hold a more powerful power, that no other man can boast, and they are not listening to the spirit, its no different than what the LGBT is trying to do, Break down precious truths, and make doing evil and perverse things okay.. I see no differrence between these women and them. I have no judgements, but this is ridiculious

BobOctober 1, 2013

In some interviews Sister Kelley is quoted as saying that her local priesthood leaders are supportive of her efforts. In D&C 10:20-26 the Lord teaches an important lesson, that when someone lies to advance a cause, you can know that the cause is inspired by the Devil.

Nicholas CrossetteOctober 1, 2013

Doctrine and Covenants section 121 perfectly explains this group of women. They look at the priesthood as some sort of power or authority over another group of people and think those without the priesthood are lesser individuals. They don't understand the purpose of the priesthood. 34. Behold, there are many acalled, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen? 35 Because their ahearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson

Brett AllenOctober 1, 2013

Beautifully written and expressed. If we truly believe in Christ and our Father in Heaven we follow the Prophet even, and especially when, it we don't understand from our limited mortal understanding.

Deacon JonesOctober 1, 2013

It's interesting to me to read from the women asking Sister Kelly to stop this and stating that she makes them look bad or simply doesn't speak for them as she may like to be thought of as doing. I wonder as a lawyer how much Sister Kelly is profiting off of drumming up contention and "agitating" the Church and it's members who are not interested in her cause?

ebOctober 1, 2013

Women cannot conceive (ie. become mothers) without men. Isn't the more exact comparison that men cannot become fathers without women? It's sad to undermine a father's equally sacred calling for the sake of a weak illustration of "equality."

Desert WarLord October 1, 2013

To Err is to be Human, To Forgive Divine, none of which is US Marine Corps Doctrine ... if the order is to skin a cat ... ours is not to reason why ... however, we are encouraged to have...and develop opinions on how best to skin a cat ... Following the Kingdom of God's Church Doctrine is an absolute truth ... with due respect to our sisters ... it is like being pregnant ... you are either pregnant or not pregnant ... when there is a difference of opinion, when there is doubt and there will be a lot of these ... ask ourselves ... what have the modern day prophets taught us in this subject ? Sister Kelly (note I still use the title sister) sing along with me a verse from a favorite Marine Corps Hymn, telling all military organization in the world, " Groovy, Groovy, Groovy. Tough, Tough, Tough, You can be anybody but you can't be us" ...because this is how the Lord wants it, blood of honest and innocent people has been spilled to seal its truthfulness wants it and hundreds to thousands a day join us in support...Bless your soul.

TrudyOctober 1, 2013

Why should women hold the priesthood? Men will never have the power to give birth. Which is more important? Neither. Equal but different. Duh!

StephanieOctober 1, 2013

I like to try to understand people's intentions and perspectives--especially those that are different from my own. Is it possible these women "agitate" for change because they see themselves as the united voice simply calling the Prophet to inquire of the Lord on the matter? I remember hearing that many people wrote and begged the Prophet to ask God about extending the priesthood to all worthy males--maybe there were even voices of "agitation" in those passionate requests. There were some in the church who thought requesting such a thing was apostasy--that they should just accept that not all worthy men could hold the priesthood--because it was so and always had been so. ... But, finally the desired answer came. Perhaps these women see themselves as the ones who are asking the priesthood to be extended not to just all worthy males, but to all worthy members. If one day, the Lord, through his Prophet, allows all worthy members to hold the priesthood, then I imagine these women will feel their prayers and passionate pleadings were heard and answered. Until then, if then is to ever be (at least in the way these women seek), I think it is always okay to ask, but it is also okay to accept when the answer is "not now."

JoAnnOctober 1, 2013

If you really understand the purpose of the priesthood, you would be content to be a wife, a mother and faithful LDS woman. Study and learn the purpose of the priesthood. It's not to place man above woman, but to place them side by side in the work of the Lord.

NicOctober 1, 2013

She's trying to make it seem as if women are underprivaleged and undervalued when it is quite the opposite. That would be like a man arguing that he wants to be able to have a baby so he can say he is more responsible for the baby's existence in the world, even though it no less requires a man also to create a baby. Although men and women have 'different' roles, they are both equally important and valued.

EdwardJOctober 1, 2013

In Joseph Smith's day, any church member could ask him a question. Often, he went to The Lord and came back with a revelation in answer. The Ordain Women group is simply asking our prophets to go to the Lord with open hearts and ask a question. We believe God will yet reveal many great things. Which of us can say with certainty what those things will be? The prophets said for 100+ years with great certainty that black men could not hold the priesthood, then one day things changed. Things may change here, too.

JimboOctober 1, 2013

Thanks for the article. Interesting thoughts from everyone. A few of my thoughts/comments: 1. The church operates via councils. The bishop has the keys, but good ideas and even revelation can come from any member of the ward. The bishop, however, is the only one authorized to make the decision (which should be based on confirmatory revelation). From Handbook 2, Section 4.2 "The bishop

Myrna SheppardOctober 1, 2013

I fully support and appreciate the points in Brother Ogden's article, however it would have been far more effective to have a strong sister in the church respond to these concerns instead of one of the brethren. Just sayin'.

Colleen HarrisonOctober 1, 2013

P.S. I thought I was done, but I guess I need one more chance to reflect aloud: I don't understand why there has been a twitter, buzz, or whatever about how the General Authorities/Brethren/Men are "caving in" to the demands of certain women's efforts or protests by broadcasting the Saturday evening priesthood session, when, all along, the entire text of the priesthood session addresses have been available within a couple of days via the internet, and in the Ensign within a few weeks. What? Caving in? P.S.S. Thanks for the article, Meridian (and Bro. Ogden) and the chance to "reason together" on this "mystery of Godliness" -- that man is not without the woman in Christ, nor the woman without the man. This is such a powerful spiritual symbolism--both in time and in eternity.

DeeOctober 1, 2013

Very well written! Thank you, Brother Ogden! :)

Colleen HarrisonOctober 1, 2013

If there is one thing that D&C 121 testifies to us, other than to model the reality of a God who will answer prayers as one person answers another, it is that there is an inherent

Judy JohnsonOctober 1, 2013

If the women of the Church understood the importance of Motherhood, they would know that Priesthood would only be in the way of fulfilling their divine calling. I'm grateful I don't have to fulfill BOTH responsibilities. It is a wise and loving Heavenly Father who gave us the plan that we agreed to. Let us now fulfill our roles, and support our spouse in their role.

Cory KelleyOctober 1, 2013

Very well written and in such a kindly stated manner. No hostility in this article at all, thanks. I have to say, that I wholeheartedly agree with this article, though some would say that we "should just obey our leaders" and not question. I am very grateful for Sister Kelly and her boldness to question. Because not only have I learned more about the role of men and women in the priesthood, but hundreds if not thousands of others in the church have now as well. I believe it is so much in her right to question the prophets and petition God. And if we never did that there would be stagnant members and a halt to the progression of the Lords church on earth. The key to questioning the leaders, is to be completely open the the answers you receive. Aka, "Sincere heart, and real intent."

Kaitlyn KingOctober 1, 2013

This is a wonderful article, as a prospective sister missionary this whole ordeal has been quite disheartening, and this and the quotes within are very uplifting.

KenyaOctober 1, 2013

I find it annoying to have a few unhappy women speak for those of us who are completely content and satisfied with the laws of God. As an ordinance worker, I agree wholeheartedly with Bro. Ogden's mention of the temple. It is there, especially, that we learn how and in what way women do act In behalf of priesthood authority. As a daughter of God, I know that He hears my prayers every bit as fully as He hears a priesthood anointing.

cindyOctober 1, 2013

that is a good article but no one can really come out and say you are not going to the temple and so that is why you have an issue with woman not having the priesthood. That's unfair and rude. We as woman have a right to ask questions and wonder why. For me it would be nice to have the priesthood. But I realize we all have different roles.

Chrissy GavinOctober 1, 2013

Great Article! I love the distinction you repeated that having a differing personal opinion is not apostasy but what you do with it can become apostasy. I have a testimony that this is the Lord's church and I can witness it is led by Him! I can testify of the importance of submitting our will to his!

Linda WaiteOctober 1, 2013

Thank you for such a great article!!!

Casual ObserverOctober 1, 2013

What about women who are unable to have children, lose their children, lose their husband, or (-gasp-) choose not to have them? What if they truly feel it is their calling to do as the Priesthood does? As fulfilling as being a mother is, the period before you have kids, or after they have left is a perfect time to pursue such a calling. Even during if she's not too busy! To deny women this is to reinforce that no matter how valuable her contributions are, she will never truly have a full involvement or say in the Church.

Sean NicholesOctober 1, 2013

Amen! That's all I need to say.

MindiOctober 1, 2013

Beautiful! Thank you for writing this.

KarleeOctober 1, 2013

I have been too busy doing what I can to bring the church to those who are not members, and doing the callings I have been chosen to serve to worry about such structural issues. The Lord is the head of our church. Prophets change. Bishops change. Elders grow and become High Priests. Do your part to grow the kingdom. Thats all!

Margaret DansieOctober 1, 2013

I have found, after 43 years of marriage and raising a family, when our relationship as husband and wife followed the Lord's plan, it felt perfectly balanced and we were happiest. While we have shared many responsibilities, if I were to try to take over his role as husband and father, neither of us would be happy. Heavenly Father's plan is perfect and brilliant. The responsibilities we have as women are far too important and we couldn't do them as well if we also had the responsibilities of the Priesthood. I don't anticipate or want any changes!

GwenOctober 1, 2013

I believe Sister Kelly used the word agitation because it references a quote by President Hinckley where he told a news outlet that there currently was no agitation on the issue. Given the way Ordain Women has gone about this question, asking (not demanding) for tickets and constantly affirming that the Priesthood leaders and the Savior and the ones in charge of the church, I would hardly call her an "agitator" in the way you are using the term here. On a second note, I don't think it is fair to say that women who are asking questions about ordination must also not go to the temple or not understand anything about the ceremony. I have been a member of the church my entire life and am currently endowed. Participating in temple ordinances as a temple worker when I was a student at BYU is precisely what brought this issue to the fore in my mind.

DanielaOctober 1, 2013

I can clearly see the matter Sister Kelly has addressed but unfortunately I don't agree with her. Women in the priesthood meeting it would mean that all meetings are bound to change then; does that mean no more Relief Society or Young Women's meeting with "women" only? There's a reason as to why they are clearly separate... There's a bigger person beneath the surface. Also all conference meetings are aired online and can be repeated afterwards. Anyone withte desire to proceed and read the meeting should do it online.

LaLauna BandmannOctober 1, 2013

Sometimes I think that one has too much time on their hands and not a great understanding of how the Lord works. It's not a matter of putting pressure on the leaders. She should make it a matter of prayer in a closet and then let God do His will. This article is well appreciated.

Jason HansenOctober 1, 2013

Brother Ogden, it wasn't Kate Kelly that first used the word

John A. TvedtnesOctober 1, 2013

Temple marriage, which naturally involves both men and women, is an "order of the priesthood" (D&C 131:2). I believe in the old adage, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." Who would want more power than that?

Bev JohnsonOctober 1, 2013

Well said! I agree with Brother Ogden. Thanks for thoughtful article.

KristenOctober 1, 2013

This is a great article. I am grateful for people who look for the truth in doctrine, rather than in the opinions of individuals. I know that Christ is at the helm and that my role as a woman in His and the Father's great plan is in no way understated by me not having the priesthood. I am content to fill my role to the best of my ability and to follow the prophet willingly.

DollyOctober 1, 2013

When I first joined the church I felt the same way. But as I spend more time in the church, have had children and watched my husband in the priesthood, I don't want that responsibility. I have too much on my plate already. I think it is easy for young single women to envy our brothers but we should have faith that Heavenly Father and the Prophet have it all under control. When we were children our parents made rules and made us do things that we didn't always understand but as adults we do. I think it is hard sometimes that to Heavenly Father, we are all still children and we still have to follow the rules even when we don't understand.

KristenOctober 1, 2013

This is a great article. I am grateful for people who look for the truth in doctrine, rather than in the opinions of individuals. I know that Christ is at the helm and that my role as a woman in His and the Father's great plan is in no way understated by me not having the priesthood. I am content to fill my role to the best of my ability and to follow the prophet willingly.

KenzieOctober 1, 2013

One thing, that I think women forget is when we marry a worthy priesthood holder, we do have the priesthood through our husbands. I feel like I am a wonderful daughter of God and I do not feel threatened because I do not quote on quote "hold the priesthood." Each person in this life and in the next has a divine calling and potential. Personally, as a woman, I do not want to hold the responsibility that men hold in the church. I in the future will be responsible for my children and family's well being, and that is enough responsibility for me. The priesthood, as wonderful as it is, is a bigger responsibility then many think it is. And at this time it is meant just for men, and I think that us as women should honor and respect that because it is the Lords will and his way. We should trust that the Lord knows what he is doing and we should not question the Lord's work.

Mike GillisOctober 1, 2013

Great article. It brought to mind the story of a man who tried to steady the ark of the covenant. . He had good intentions but it wasn't his place to steady the ark. This is the Lord's church and He sets the rules. All we need to do is learn them then obey. The Lord is always correcting me as I learn the doctrine. Then the miracle of understanding follows which comes over time.

ElizabethOctober 1, 2013

So well written. Thank you for your excellent clarification of doctrine. To Sister Kelly, I'd like to say - please sit down and be quiet. You don't speak for all of us and your efforts are extremely misguided.

Rickie Findlay October 1, 2013

Thank you

Charles E. MartinOctober 1, 2013

Priesthood was withheld from Black men for many years. Priesthood may come to women. We shall see.

Saundra GuestOctober 1, 2013

Excellent article. Thank you for putting into words what is in my heart.

Charles E PetersonOctober 1, 2013

Excellent article!! Very will written Thanks

Janna TolbertOctober 1, 2013

So well and beautifully stated. Thank you.

TrishOctober 1, 2013

Perfect! Many great points I'm sharing with my friends who are also annoyed with this very small, very vocal minority that make the rest of us women look prideful and petty.

SharenOctober 1, 2013

It is the

Adele KammeyerOctober 1, 2013

Thank you, Brother Ogden, For this beautiful article. I have never questioned the role of women in the church, and find it difficult to understand the sentiments some are expressing. I do trust in the Lord with all my heart, and I know that our leaders carry out His will with exactness. I will try to do the same with my stewardship in my little portion of the vineyard, and pray for those who feel the need to "agitate".

BevPOctober 1, 2013

I can't help feeling that if each of us really got on and did the work for God's children that is already ours to do, with all our hearts, might, minds and strength, and stopped fussing about boundaries, a lot more people would be better blessed than they are now. Get out and magnify your visiting teaching, your home teaching, bless as you can already bless.

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