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Scot

Don’t all of us have a secret desire to be on the stage, dressed in amazing costumes, involved in a play with a Director, with our own starring roles, with a character-driven plot and lots of intrigue and excitement in our story? Imagine then that you ARE intimately involved in an award-winning three act play and you are already quite far into Act 2. But here’s the catch, you can only fully understand Act 2 if you have a knowledge of Act 1—and when you finished Act 1, the curtains were dropped and you can not only NOT look back on that part of the play, you can’t even remember it. Do we know anything about Act 1 at all? Yes, we do—quite a bit, actually. And that’s what we’re going to talk about today.

Maurine

Welcome to Meridian Magazine’s Come and See podcast. We are Scot and Maurine Proctor and this week we will be studying Moses 1 and Abraham 3 in the Pearl of Great Price. To look back on Act 1, that infinite stretch of our lives before time, and before our memory was so utterly lost, is to long for more. I yearn for something I can’t quite put my finger on like a song whose words I have forgotten. It is a longing. It is a sense of lost knowledge. It is a hint that the real me is hidden somewhere, lost to amnesia. 

Scot

The Old Testament starts with “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” and questions immediately emerge. Who knew this and how did he know? Who wrote it? Isn’t there more? And why did the Lord impose order upon chaos and invite us to a fallen world? The why is missing in the Old Testament story. We don’t understand God’s intent nor anything about ourselves. It took the prophet Joseph Smith to restore this essential knowledge for us. for without him, this origin story would be intriguing, but not personal. God would be a moving force, but not a Father.  Without the restoration we would be in the dark about our own identity. As our friend Patrick Degn said, quoting C.S. Lewis: Joseph Smith invited us to “go further up and further in.” We don’t have to wander because we have forgotten who we are are whose we are. The  Books of Moses and Abraham carry us through prophetic vision to understand what happened in that time so far out of sight and why it matters right now.

In chapter 1 of Moses, he is “caught up into an exceedingly high mountain.” In scripture high mountains are temples. Abraham, Enoch, Moses, Nephi, the brother of Jared are all swept up into veil-piercing revelation in lofty mountains. These are mountains of the Lord—temples. A temple is where God’s children enter His presence. Here as Moses sees God face to face, he is having a temple experience and receiving his endowment. God will open Moses’ eyes allowing him to penetrate to the farthest reaches of the Lord’s creations. “Worlds without number have I created.”

Maurine

I will tell you how reading the Book of Moses became one of the central spiritual experiences of my life.

Many years ago, Scot and I went to the Middle East, and on the plane ride over I had a long, heartfelt prayer. I felt so empty and barren, much like a dried leaf blowing along the gutter in a restless wind. I hadn’t felt the Spirit for a long time. It was not that there was anything particularly wrong in my life, but I was frankly overwhelmed with work in taking care of the needs of our growing family. At the time we had ten children under 18, and the challenges and work were relentless. I was just so tired.

On this trip we climbed Mt. Sinai, and when you do that, you start hiking in the middle of the night at 1:00 am to be able to see the first rays of sunrise from the top, We hoped to capture gorgeous photos of that holy mountain and the red desert that swept beyond. We loaded up all of our gear, all of Scot’s heavy field camera equipment and started hiking without flashlights. The bowl of radiant stars above provided a mystical light in that darkness that was sufficient to see. We had done this before, but this time I carried with me the heaviness of my responsibilities and feelings. 

Does God know I am here? Does He know how hard I am trying? Does He care about my work and my efforts? Is He aware of me? Does He see me? Can he relieve me? All of these things were drumming through my mind with each step towards the summit. 

We took longer than we planned to get to the top and Scot had to take off running with the essential gear to set up and capture the sunrise on film. He got there with less than five minutes to spare and shot some beautiful pictures. As he was shooting, I was studying and praying and pondering the first few verses of Moses chapter 1. Sitting on Sinai with the world spread before me, they struck me with such power as if I were seeing them for the first time and they were being delivered just for me.

“2 And [Moses] saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence.” 

[Then God introduced Himself to Moses, with this mighty, unmatchable, moving description of Himself. Moses had seen false gods in Egypt, but now He was talking to the great Creator, the God of all things, whose presence in such light would be unendurable unless Moses was transformed. Listen to who God says He is.]

“3 And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end of years; and is not this endless?

“4 And, behold, thou art my son…(Moses 1:1-4)” 

What? This mighty God of Universe just said he was Almighty, that his name was Endless. He said that He is without beginning of days or end of years, therefore it is clear that He sees and knows all things and that nothing is lost or overlooked before Him. He would go on to show Moses the “world upon which he was created…and all the children of men which are, and which were created.”

And it is this God, this being of light who in the same breath, says, “behold thou art my son.” You, Moses, are personally beloved. You are not an unknown orphan in the universe. You are a son of the mighty one, with My attributes in embryo.

I was so struck with the Lord introducing Himself to Moses in this magnificent way and then revealing that he was a son.

And at that moment, it was as if I could hear the voice of God saying to me, “And, behold, thou art my daughter.” It was a whisper that thrilled my soul. I knew that He knew I was there. I knew that He knew how hard I was trying. I knew that He did care about my work and my efforts. I absolutely knew that He was aware of me and that He could see me. And most importantly, I knew in every fiber of my being that He claimed me as His daughter. I will never forget my personal revelation as I sat on the top of Mt. Sinai, and I have valued these verses as personal scripture to me ever since.

If the Lord claims you as his own, it means you have something divine in you.

Scot

It is a very different thing to know that we are not just God’s creation, but his children, his actual children with a divine potential that would certainly stagger us if we saw it. We are made of the same stuff, born in light and created in light and so much more than we suppose. 

We learn in Doctrine and Covenants 93:29, “Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.” This is a distinctive and unique contribution of the restoration

From this verse in Doctrine and Covenants 93, we see so many implications. Intelligence is uncreated. Intelligence co-existed with God. Creation is organization, not ex nihilo, meaning out of nothing. As God’s children, from the beginning we are made of the same stuff.

Maurine

This is where the insights of Abraham 3 enter, which again take us further. As this chapter begins, we read:

“1 And I, Abraham, had the Urim and Thummim, which the Lord my God had given unto me, in Ur of the Chaldees;

“2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it.”

Like Moses, Abraham’s eyes are opened, and they penetrate to the depths and heights of space, energy and eternity. I like the way Abraham, himself describes it in verses 11 and 12.. 

“11 Thus I, Abraham, talked with the Lord, face to face, as one man talketh with another; and he told me of the works which his hands had made;

“12 And he said unto me: My son, my son (and his hand was stretched out), behold I will show you all these. And he put his hand upon mine eyes, and I saw those things which his hands had made, which were many; and they multiplied before mine eyes, and I could not see the end thereof.”

Scot

The implications again are huge. This creator, who made so many spinning worlds and rushing galaxies, things multiplied until Abraham could not see the end thereof calls Abraham, “My son, my son.” This powerful being is saying he is a father to Abraham who is his son.  Creation again is personal, parental. You can substitute yourself there as God calls out, “My son. My daughter.”

Then he adds something more that we didn’t see in Doctrine and Covenants 93. It is that there is a differentiation in spirits. In verse 19 we read:

“These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all”.

This is God’s invitation to a journey, a rugged, stretching, expanding, and yes, sometimes heart-rending course, to grow in intelligence, directed by Him, the most intelligent of them all. That is the purpose of “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” It is the smiling meaning behind it all. We are not stuck in our current smallness. We are not meant to be just clogs of earth that dissolve into dust.

Maurine

We can stay where we are, content with survival or mere entertainment alone, or we can say yes to the higher education God offers us every day. Can you imagine that the door to the most prestigious college in the universe, offered by God himself, has offered you free admission—if you just choose? The ‘most intelligent of them all” has offered to be your teacher.

The kindness alone, to be tutored by our Father of this magnitude of intelligence and also of this intimate of love for us is incomprehensible. In Mosiah 4:9 King Benjamin tells us “believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend.” What is evident in both the books of both Moses and Abraham is that he is willing to teach us, share what he comprehends as we are able to receive..

Scot

What does this mean? Back to Doctrine and Covenants 93: “The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.” The Lord seeks to show us how to grow in light and truth, literally to become beings of greater light which is to say beings of greater intelligence and truth. That’s the course we are on, and, in actuality, our whole soul yearns for this. We are not fashioned for any less.’

Paul tells us something similar in Romans 8:16-17. 

“16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

“17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.”

What does it mean to be a joint-heir? It does not mean that we inherit stuff, but that our characters become aligned. A joint heir shares the attributes of God.

Maurine

Paul reinforces this in Galatians 4: 6,7. 

“6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

“7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”

Other Christians sometimes take this reference to God as our father, only as a metaphor. One of the great contributions of the Restoration is that we know it is literal.

Scot

Parley P. Pratt said it this way: “God has constituted man, in his spiritual and physical organization, with certain attributes in embryo, which, when fully developed, will make him like God; such as the power of eternal increase, the faculties of reason, memory, judgment, and intelligence; with the capacity to love… or to be compassionate; to comprehend truth, and error; with the natural affections, appetites, and passions, which, when purified and controlled by law, constitute happiness and perfection.”

He also explains how these attributes are gradually “fully developed and matured.” “They are at present, in embryo, and are to be gradually developed by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel, and by the operations of the Holy Spirit.”

Maurine

Sometimes this talk about having God’s attributes in embryo seems hard to believe because our lives our tedious, repetitious and we are reminded at every turn that we are limited, faulty and blind. 

But, we have a granddaughter named Wrenna who has lived with us the first year of her life and watching her blossom has been a kind of miracle to me. Because our children have the responsibility of parenting and nourishing her, we get the great privilege of watching her with the attentive eyes of love, but no pressure.

What is clear is that some energy inside of her pushes her for growth. She was not content to lie still and just take in the world, but some inner urging as natural as breath has worked upon her to move, to notice, to absorb and learn new things. First she kicked her legs relentlessly as she sat still, then tried to crawl, dragging a leg she wasn’t sure about, then crawled like a champ right up the stairs (much to our dismay), then stood wobbling at the hips. She has chattered with incoherent sounds, but something, somehow, pushes her ever onward. She speaks to us constantly without words and is most emphatic telling us what she prefers not to eat. Her growth is vibrant, relentless, urgent. She won’t stand for less than going farther up and farther in.

The fire in our spirits is this rush for more of ourselves, and we feel hopeless and horrible when that fire dies.

Scot

Now let’s get back to the first chapter of the Book of Moses:

Moses was shown a great vision. And he is told who he was, that he was “in the similitude of [the] Only Begotten; and [that the] Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth.” (See Moses 1:6) And Moses is told that “there is no God beside me.” (ibid). Moses was raised in the courts of Pharaoh where there were as many as 400 gods in their pantheon, but none of those so-called gods had ever talked to or interacted with Moses!

“9 And the presence of God withdrew from Moses, that his glory was not upon Moses; and Moses was left unto himself. And as he was left unto himself, he fell unto the earth.

“10 And it came to pass that it was for the space of many hours before Moses did again receive his natural strength like unto man; and he said unto himself: Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed.”

How can he think he is nothing, when he has just been told he is a son of God? It is a reference to how puffed up and sure of ourselves we are when we use man as the measure of all creation. The pride and pomp of this world are put in their place.

That statement has made more vivid sense to us as we have visited Egypt’s ancient Temple of Karnak in the Hypostyle Room. This room is 54,000 square feet, featuring 134 enormous columns, ranging from 69 feet to 122 feet. You simply feel dwarfed both by size and by time in this room built so many millenia ago.  

Maurine

Now, at this moment when he is just recovering and receiving his strength back again, “Satan comes tempting him saying: Moses, son of man, worship me.”

Two fascinating points emerge here:

First, Moses has just been told that there was just one God and now this imposter, this counterfeiter is trying to tempt him What is interesting here is that Satan doesn’t arrive tempting him overtly to evil. He doesn’t announce himself as the destroyer. He claims he is God, himself. 

The things that Satan is behind in this world are usually portrayed as the good, the wise, sound, the inevitable. Ideologies like Fascism and Communism have pretended to be the answer to all of humanity’s problems. If Satan doesn’t pretend to be the good, he does act as if he is bringing relief to help us. Instant gratification and relief.

But on a more personal level, Satan whispers to us and pretends he’s God, while he accuses and shames us. We’ll talk more about this in a minute.

Scot

Second, Satan’s motivation behind the rogue plan he brought before the counsel in heaven is clear here. He didn’t want to save all of humanity, a job he had neither the taste for, nor the power. He just wanted to remove God from his throne, topple his government and be worshipped instead.

Maurine

What is Moses’s defense against someone so wily as Satan? How is he shielded and protected against the destroyer?

“13 And it came to pass that Moses looked upon Satan and said: Who art thou? For behold, I am a son of God, in the similitude of his Only Begotten; and where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?

“14 For behold, I could not look upon God, except his glory should come upon me, and I were transfigured before him. But I can look upon thee in the natural man. Is it not so, surely?

We learn a really important pattern here. We absolutely have to remember who we are if we are to successfully thwart the temptations of Satan. It’s like my experience on the top of Mt. Sinai, I have to remember that I am a daughter of the Most High God, and I cannot be deceived unless I forget or give up that sure knowledge.

Scot

Well, and I think a good question to even ask out loud, when you feel the darkness of temptation is: Who is the author of this? Does God bring feelings of darkness or heaviness? No.  It’s a great question to discern Satan’s presence.

Now, Satan did not want Moses to fulfill his mission—and his mission was to become the deliverer for the Children of Israel who were in Egypt in bondage. Satan wanted them to remain in bondage—in prison—kept from a full knowledge of the one true God. That’s what he wants for all of us—BONDAGE.

Moses says:

“15 Blessed be the name of my God, for his Spirit hath not altogether withdrawn from me, or else where is thy glory, for it is darkness unto me? And I can judge between thee and God; for God said unto me: Worship God, for him only shalt thou serve.

“16 Get thee hence, Satan; deceive me not; for God said unto me: Thou art after the similitude of mine Only Begotten.

“18 And again Moses said: I will not cease to call upon God, I have other things to inquire of him: for his glory has been upon me, wherefore I can judge between him and thee. Depart hence, Satan.”

Maurine

I love that Moses said to Satan that he was not done inquiring of God. He had other things he wanted to find out about. Is there anything more exciting than to find out truths and eternal things from God, to know that is even possible?”

But Satan was getting more and more angry and more and more frustrated and insistent:

“19 And…Satan cried with a loud voice, and ranted upon the earth, and commanded, saying: I am the Only Begotten, worship me.”

Really? Satan now just out and out lies—remember: He is the father of lies—and he says that he is the Only Begotten.

Scot

Now, watch carefully what happens here:

“20 And it came to pass that Moses began to fear exceedingly; and as he began to fear, he saw the bitterness of hell. Nevertheless, calling upon God, he received strength, and he commanded, saying: Depart from me, Satan, for this one God only will I worship, which is the God of glory.”

Maurine

As fear grips us, we will, at times, see the bitterness of hell. And what is the bitterness of hell—well, we know the fruits of it: Darkness, despair, depression, discouragement, hopelessness, disappointment, dismay, degradation of our own standing and spirit, anxiety—you know the routine, and this is all because we have let fear take over. 

Moses offers us the only solution to these states we sometimes find ourselves in. He called upon his identity as one of God ‘s beloved children, and the power of His father for strenfth.

Then watch what finally happens:

“21 And now Satan began to tremble, and the earth shook; and Moses received strength, and called upon God, saying: In the name of the Only Begotten, depart hence, Satan.

“22 And it came to pass that Satan cried with a loud voice, with weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth; and he departed hence, even from the presence of Moses, that he beheld him not.”

Scot

Right after this, Moses has a tremendous spiritual experience:

“24 And it came to pass that when Satan had departed from the presence of Moses, that Moses lifted up his eyes unto heaven, being filled with the Holy Ghost, which beareth record of the Father and the Son;

“25 And calling upon the name of God, he beheld his glory again, for it was upon him; and he heard a voice, saying: Blessed art thou, Moses, for I, the Almighty, have chosen thee, and thou shalt be made stronger than many waters; for they shall obey thy command as if thou wert God.

“26 And lo, I am with thee, even unto the end of thy days; for thou shalt deliver my people from bondage, even Israel my chosen.”

Maurine

So, Moses is chosen to become the deliverer of his people. Having overcome this attempt of Satan to deceive him, he then is shown more of God’s nature. His mind is opened in time and distance to see that God is the creator of worlds without number—so many that man cannot number them “but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine,” saith the Lord. (See Moses 1:37).”

And then Moses learns this fabulous insight into the Lord’s own mission:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. (See Moses 1:39).” We have the why behind all of creation that is not given in the Old Testament. It is for us,  His own children, for our growth and for our expanding intelligence.

Scot

Amidst a planet where Moses is shown billions of the Lord’s children, amidst the unnumbered worlds without end, amidst all the creations of the universe, God says His work is to bring to pass our immortality and our eternal life!

Elder Neal A. Maxwell said it this way:

“Therefore, in the expansiveness of space, there is stunning personalness, for God knows and loves each of us! (See 1 Nephi 11:17). We are not ciphers in unexplained space! While the Psalmist’s query was, “What is man, that thou art mindful of him?” (Psalm 8:4), mankind is at the very center of God’s work. We are the sheep of His hand and the people of His pasture (See Psalms 79:13; 95:7; 100:3). His work includes our immortalization—accomplished by Christ’s glorious Atonement! Think of it, brothers and sisters, even with their extensive longevity, stars are not immortal, but you are.” (Our Creator’s Cosmos, Neal A. Maxwell, Religious Studies Center)

Maurine

Years ago, I was writing a television series on the family for the Church and we were going to do a show on the struggle so many have with shame and a sense of worthlessness—two of the fruits of fear. I consulted with a psychologist for ideas. and he told me something I have never forgotten. He said, we experience ourselves not as a whole, but as bits and pieces. You can tell that is true because you have to admit that you talk to yourself. You argue with yourself. You give yourself things to do while another part of you resists that list.

The psychologist said, “You know what I mean because there is part of you that says, ‘You should do this. You must do that. You are a loser if you don’t do well on that. You never measure up. Your work doesn’t make any difference. You haven’t done enough. You have disappointed me again. Run faster, harder, more frantically because you lack so much.

Scot

“It is this noisy critic who constantly has a better idea for you, who brings up your past to discourage and incriminate you. This critic on your shoulder (or better yet, in your head) has all kinds of suggestions for your improvement, which are so demanding you could never quite fill the bill. The critic may remind you that you are unlovable and have never really been loved. The critic may remind you of your failures and your rejections. This critic just never lets you off the hook. Yet, what is worst of all is that the critic claims that its voice is there to bless you and keep you progressing. The voice says, ‘I am only thinking of you.’

“What hurts most of all, when we get right down to it, is we think that this voice is God. After all, doesn’t this critic just want our improvement? Isn’t this voice just demanding a greater level of excellence from us?”

Maurine

Then the psychologist asked the most important question of the night. “Who is this voice? What is the source of this voice? Who is speaking to you with such regular disdain?”

I remember sitting in my office taking notes as he talked, and a realization was dawning upon me. I, too, had that demanding voice in my head which was never satisfied with who I was. I knew what it meant to think I always had to be competent and see quickly how to do things or I was stupid. He was describing something familiar to me. “Who is this voice? To whom does this voice belong?”

When he asked, I knew the answer. I had just never confronted it before. I answered him. “It is Satan’s voice, pretending to be God.” I could see it so clearly now.

Who wants to make you miserable? Who wants you to believe you are never doing enough? Who wants to make you feel small? Who wants to make you believe your efforts are not worth it? Who wants you to be haunted with shame? Who, in the Garden of Eden, told Adam and Eve to run? Hide?” Not the Father. Not the Son. It is the Adversary. You can tell because he makes you feel bad and then delights in it. Shame is his currency.

Scot

Satan is called the accuser in Revelation 12:10, which is an apt name for him. “The accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” He is your accuser, too. Don’t mistake his voice and call it God’s. It is a travesty to do so. Think of the millions of voices through the centuries raised in a shout of blame toward God, when Satan was the cause of their misery. God does not teach his children with disdain for them as unworthy creatures. That mean voice in your head that induces shame and guilt is not His.

Satan likes to masquerade as God. He likes to start movements in God’s name. He pretends he is the one watching out for you. “Abandon the gospel. You’ll feel so much better,” he advertises. “Trust me,” the untrustworthy says.

Maurine

Moses was not so easily fooled, and what he says is significant for this very issue of guilt and shame.

When Satan comes, Moses is able to stand so unwaveringly strong, because in actuality, he knows who he is as never before: “For behold, I am a son of God, in the similitude of his Only Begotten; and where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?” He knows his identity because he has seen God—and God told him: Behold, thou art my son.

Moses becomes clear about his inheritance as a son, because a son or daughter can grow to attain their Father’s attributes. He has more in him than he can possibly comprehend. While he feels like “nothing” after his great vision, this is not a negative, self-deprecating thing, but a sense of humility before all he has seen. Humility should not be confused with shame, for the first can help exalt us, while the second corrupts.

I always say, we can have anxiety living with its accompanying grief, or we can have atonement living where we breathe deeply and in gratitude. It’s not on me. It never was all on me. “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest” (Matt. 11:28). This is not for some future time, but for the day to day living of right now.

Scot

So as we peer back beyond our memory and beyond time, we get marvels, thanks to the Restoration. Yes! There was a Grand Council in Heaven and all of us were there. Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother were there. The Great Jehovah—who would become Jesus Christ in mortality was there. Michael, the one who was like unto God and is the mighty archangel was there. Gabriel, the great angel whose very name means man of God and who would become Noah in mortality was there. Abraham records:

“22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

“23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born. (Abraham 3: 22-23)”

Maurine

And yes!  God told Abraham that the purpose of mortality would be soul-stretching growth. 

“25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them” (Abraham 3:25).”

President Henry B. Eyring told us more about what that means: “The word prove has several meanings. To prove something is not simply to test it. It is to increase its strength. To prove a piece of steel is to place it under strain. Heat, weight, and pressure are added until its true nature is enhanced and revealed. The steel is not weakened by the proving. In fact, it becomes something that can be trusted, something strong enough to bear greater burdens.

“The Lord proves us in much the same way to strengthen us. That proving does not come in moments of ease or comfort. It comes in moments when we feel stretched beyond what we thought we could bear. The Lord teaches that we are to continue to grow and never tire in our efforts, that we never give up, that we keep trying.” https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2025/10/47eyring?lang=eng

Scot:

I have to say here how deeply grateful I am to the Prophet Joseph Smith for bringing us the Book of Abraham and for his translation of the Bible. These eight chapters of Moses we have in the Pearl of Great Price are from the Joseph Smith Translation. And with great anticipation for learning in this coming year, we will often be drawing from excerpts and quotes from his inspired translation—for he gave us 3,410 verses of change, modification or addition to the King James Version of the Bible.

Joseph Smith called this an important branch of his caling and it is clear why. The whole meaning of scripture is transformed by these insights.

Maurine

That’s all for today. We are Scot and Maurine Proctor and this has been Meridian Magazine’s Come and See Podcast. Thanks to Jenny Oaks Baker for her music and Michaela Proctor Hutchins, the producer of this show. May we remember who we truly are amidst earth’s challenges. Sending our love and see you next week.