It is hard to read all these comments, I think we all are victims of these constant promptings from Lucifer. If Lucifer was villain enough to tempt our Lord Jesus the Christ, what can we expect from David?. He was a victim too; Lucifer knew the glory that awaits for David and he Lucifer worked extra hard to make sure David won't be able to reach it. What am I trying to say is this: We have no right to point a finger to any of them we weren`t there, I don`t think for a minute that our own lives are perfect we all have ups and downs we are not by any means perfect humans, so please stop calling King David rapist or, bathsheba seducer respect them we all will someday heading there means the other side of the veil and our own eyes will be open to the perfect truth of what or how really happens... meanwhile be respectful and focussed on our own personal progress.
Larisa SchumannAugust 8, 2018
Thanks for your insightful and thought-provoking article!
Marilyn SamsJuly 19, 2018
David's palace was located at the top of the ridge in the City of David, on the east of the temple acropolis, south of the Gihon Spring All other homes on the southeastern hill would have been lower, either south or east. Mikvehs or ritual baths are usually on the interior of homes, in a shower-like structure, because ritual cleansings were done in the nude and required immersion. If David saw her bathing, she may not have been on her roof, but could have been on an open porch, or where open doors into the interior would allow some "line of sight." It is difficult to dismiss Bathsheba's guilt in being in such a line of sight, which would have been on the mind of any virtuous woman taking her clothes off in a neighborhood where people above could see her. She certainly would have been aware of which building above her was David's palace.
redfiveJuly 18, 2018
Where did the idea come from that Bathsheba was bathing on the roof?
From the 1985 movie King David, starring Richard Gere and Alice Kriger. And once again the entertainment industry and popular culture shape our perceptions....
SierraJuly 15, 2018
I love this article! We discussed this story in gospel doctrine today and it was very comforting for me to have these insights to rely on when we discussed the misconceptions that often arise with this story.
I do have a question. It was really interesting for me to learn about how Bathsheba's bathing was not just hygienic, but that it was a ceremonious cleansing following the end of her period. Historically, would a woman bathe immediately after her period ended, or days later? If the former were true, then she would not have been fertile for another 5-12 days. This would possibly introduce another element of this story: that David perhaps did not send messengers for her right when he saw her, but he let the temptation dwell in his heart for a few days afterwards, and then finally gave in. At that point she would have been fertile, which would explain why she conceived. What are your thoughts?
MartinJuly 14, 2018
I am grateful for everyone's comments. They all have helped me. I believe this account is not a historical record. I believe it is a story, a biblical story to teach a particular doctrine or principle. Sure context is helpful, but it is not primary. I believe it's more important personal benefit is to liken it to ourselves, and learn something Heavenly Father wants us to know. For me, that's asking myself questions. How and when am I like David? Bathsheba? Uriah? What am I going through right now that might lead me to act like David? Can I patiently and humbly repent for a lifetime if needed? Could I ever be as loyal and obedient as Uriah? What would I have to change in myself to be so? What must Bathsheba felt when she was 'taken' by David? when her husband was killed? Did she believe she was the cause of his death? Can this story teach me to really sympathize and empathize with others who I have trouble relating to? How can my relationship with Heavenly Father and the Savior improve from what I learn? How does the Atonement improve my benefit of the lessons of this story as opposed to if I try on my own efforts? And, can I come away from this story with a stronger, more peaceful faith,or do I walk away angry or unsettled? etc etc.
CeilcorJuly 13, 2018
I think it isn’t anyone’s place to judge either David or Bathsheba. Who really knows the truth except those who were there?? It seems to me it’s quite possible Bathsheba learned to love David—there certainly appears to be some respect in their relationship eg David honoring her request and therefore placing her in a very honorable position. Speculation is not part of the gospel of Jesus Christ!!
Nanette KearlJuly 13, 2018
I loved reading your article the first time it was posted on Meridian. I have thought back to it several times and mentioned it to other colleagues. Your article has created beautiful discourse and made so many connections historically, culturally and was presented so relevantly in today's context. I can't help but think that when any one of us jumps to conclusions, some that others present or have perpetuated in several environments that it taints our ability to be fresh to new ideas and truths that we ourselves did not or cannot take the time nor have the understanding to develop. You have quenched the thirst of many as I read the comments. Thank you for your prayerful guidance and gifts of understanding and expression.
K. PolakoffJuly 8, 2018
Great insights. What I learn from the story of David is that the Lord looks upon our whole life, not just one good or bad act. I also see that one action can have eternal consequences. I also see that repentance is not a one time thing and David spends the rest of his life reconciling himself. I gain hope in my own repentance and there are still blessings. That Christ coming from his lineage still speaks highly of David.
BusterJuly 6, 2018
What about Uriah? Not much mention of him. He is also a victim and by all reports a very honorable and loyal warrior.
Ann-MarieJuly 6, 2018
Thank you for this very insightful and well-researched article. I have a new appreciation for this unique story. And just one comment on a thought expressed by another: while they do not believe David was capable of being a rapist, they overlook the evidence that David later became a murderer.
Maryann TaylorJuly 5, 2018
This article began well, but took an extreme feminist nose- dive with accusations against David based on very weak assumptions. These questionable assumptions are just as wrong as claiming that Bathsheba was guilty of any sin. I think it is a serious error to accuse David of rape. That is an extreme indictment with too little evidence. There is also absolutely no evidence that Bathsheba lived in "fear" of David's attentions after their marriage. David was described as "beautiful," and we know he had many other admirable traits. It would not surprise me in the least if Bathsheba actually fell in love with David. I do agree that Bathsheba was an innocent party in their adulterous relationship and we also know from the Bible that she mourned for her husband, Uriah.
RivkahJuly 5, 2018
More to the point: David INQUIRED as to who she was BEFORE he took her. He knew very well that she was married ERGO he is a rapist. Loved the article.
SophiaJuly 4, 2018
Your insights into Jewish custom and social mores explain really well Bathshebas situation. It seems what you have found in your research perfectly matches what the scriptures actually tell us. Thankyou! I enjoyed this article so much.
AftenJuly 4, 2018
While I totally and completly agree with you that Bathsheba should not be villainize and accused of doing things we have no evidence of, neither should David. We do not have enough information and we have no right to claim that David raped Bathsheba. The Old Testament is full of stories where women are raped and it is VERY clear that they were raped. It is not clear in this instance so it should not be assumed.
You are basing your theory off an imperfect translation of the Bible and a quote from an unsourced book. The word "took" was also used in describing Isaac's and Rebekah's relationship. It is very clear that it was Rebeckah's own decision to go and become Isaac's wife. Stating that Bathsheba was washing because she was purifying herself makes sense when you read the King James translation, but in other translations it states that AFTER they slept together, she purified herself and went home. I'm not a biblical scholar so I don't know what rituals needed to happen, but it does state in several versions that she was purifed or cleansed after and not before.
I get as mad as anybody when people accuse Bathsheba of seducing David and I am very vocal in her defense. It is not right to assume and especially to teach that as part of the story. Again, it is not at all right to assume and then teach that David was a rapist and Bathsheba spent the rest of her life being harassed by the man who assaulted her. We don't know that. We should not assume or teach that.
David's fall is so pitiful because he had been so great. He spent the rest of his life repenting of this sin even though there was no hope of his ever receiving exaltation. He did a horrific thing. He then repented as much as he possibly could and was faithful to God the rest of his life.
Do not brand either person a villain. It is not your place to judge David just as it is not anybody else's to judge Bathsheba.
bknitterJuly 4, 2018
For those who choose to shake their heads and "brings a smile" while blaming Bathsheba, face the fact that David was a lecherous peeping Tom. That is it, that is all. He was leering over the walls of people's houses, he chose a vantage point where he could invade her privacy. Whoever got the idea that she was "...openly bathed where anyone from any vantage point could view them," is a horribly wrong assumption to avoid placing the blame where it is due. Moreover, it does not matter what she was doing in her private space any more than it would matter to a voyeur that you are in your kitchen, in your living room, even in your back yard, what matters that he ~chose~ to watch, that he ~chose~ to not turn away. Lastly, see how Nathan spoke to David "the rich man...took the poor man’s lamb..." Not, "the poor man's lamb seduced the rich man" and certainly not that "the lamb secretly wanted to be slaughtered by the rich man." No, the rich man abused his authority, "And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man."
BathshebaJuly 4, 2018
Jim and Tom. You have no idea what it’s like to be a woman. Simply saying no does not stop men from taking advantage of a woman. You weren’t there when Bathsheba was taken so you can’t claim she didn’t try to stop David. If she was in her private residence, why is she held accountable for David looking through her window? David saw Bathsheba and lusted after her. Bathsheba was minding her own business. That mentality is exactly what blames victims for their own rape. Women are not responsible for the crimes against them. Period. It doesn’t matter what they are or are not wearing. It doesn’t matter where she is. A woman doesn’t ask to be raped. A woman is not as strong as a man, generally speaking, and can’t often fend off a man. Another thing is that if you could not refuse a king without losing your head; look at Henry the 8th. This article was great at explaining the story for our modern times. Too bad a misogynist can’t understand that women have the right to their own bodies. Yes I’m a modern woman living the gospel. And yes, I too have be raped. In case you’re wondering I was wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and sandals. How provocative of me to show my arms and feet. It didn’t matter that I said no, it still happened. Bathsheba was innocent, and if you can’t see that you need to go back and read the story again, and pray for understanding. Stop blaming women for men’s actions. #metoo
BradJuly 4, 2018
I don't know where you got the idea that anyone thought Bathsheba was on the roof. That's not what the scriptures state, and the image I've always had was that David was on his roof and from that high vantage point saw Bathsheba bathing below - probably behind her home in a fenced in area that was private except for someone up high.
I enjoyed the rest of your article. Good job.
JoshuaJuly 3, 2018
I respectfully disagree with much of the “sexual violence” tenor of this article. I also disagree with previous notions that cast Bathsheba as a "no-good temptress and seductress" as well. We need to be careful in making the David and Bathsheba story into another #metoo story. By doing this, we are no better than those that laid the whole blame at the feet of Bathsheba when the winds of society and politics were blowing in another direction. The scriptural account is unsupportive of the nuance that author is stating as fact. What we do know is that adultery is sexual relations between two consenting individuals. We do know that the Mosaic Law, though the lesser law, is God's Law and a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ, men and women both. We know that the Lord loved David and he in both character and example was in similitude of Christ. He did indeed fall from grace but was an example of humility and repentance thereafter. In closing, I believe there is blame to be had for both, not that that matters except to them in the grand scheme. It is my opinion that sexual violence has nothing to do with the value of this scriptural account.
SHendersonJuly 3, 2018
I do not believe we have enough information to determine Bathsheba's intent while washing herself. To suggest that she knew precisely where to position herself so that the king could see her from his rooftop seems like a stretch to me. Did she know the layout of the rooftop and the habits of the king to walk out on that rooftop? Seems to me she would have to have a lot of information that she likely did not have in order to intentionally seduce him. Her location and intentions are never clarified, so we cannot assign blame to her. David's intentions, however, were clear and decisive. He saw her, wanted her, and took her - all with the knowledge that she was not available as a partner. Had he chosen to look away and turn his passions toward his own wife (He had many to choose from. Surely one could have satisfied his passion.), he would have avoided this descent into sin.
This story is often used to reinforce modesty for women, which I completely agree is important. However, I do not believe the extrapolation can be made that females are seeking out sexual advances by dressing imodestly according to the church's standards. We can make life a lot easier for men by choosing modest clothing, but it is ultimately their choice to dwell on what they see or to look away. That, I believe is the bigger lesson of David. Turn away from the natural man and cling to the teachings of Christ.
CraigJuly 3, 2018
I've always been discouraged that Sunday school teachers present king David as a great man and a hero. I've never thought that. When you compare Saul and David Saul is guilty of misdemeanors while David is guilty of felonies. Guess he just had better press. David the rapist, David the murderer, David the thief. He was just a petty warlord.
JimJuly 3, 2018
I would be interested to see how many modern Gospel centered women, not to mention faithful women in an era of much stricter social constructs, have ever openly bathed where anyone from any vantage point could view them. I suspect not many. As a youth, I took seriously President Kimball’s admonition to protect your chastity with your life. Loosing your life if necessary to stay, morally clean. Certainly Bathsheba could have resisted. Completely innocent, no. The modern twist of her repeated victimization was also misplaced. I did like the focus that author gave to the sincere repentance of both individuals. I do hope that David finds complete forgiveness. For Bathsheba’s sake and eternal happiness. In painting her queenly assention, shurely she loved David and would want his eternal companionship. How do modern feminist react to DC 132:39 that the wives are given to someone else? I honor and revere both David and Bathsheba as excellent characters in our wonderful Gospel heritage.
JoshuaJuly 3, 2018
I respectfully disagree with much of the tenor of this article. I also disagree with previous notions that cast Bathsheba as a "no-good temptress and seductress" as well. We need to be careful in making the David and Bathsheba story into another #metoo story. By doing this, we are no better than those that laid the whole blame at the feet of Bathsheba when the winds of society and politics were blowing in another direction. The scriptural account is unsupportive of the nuance that author is stating as fact. What we do know is that adultery is sexual relations between two consenting individuals. We do know that the Mosaic Law, though the lesser law, is God's Law and a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ, men and women both. We know that the Lord loved David and he in both character and example was in similitude of Christ. He did indeed fall from grace but was an example of humility and repentance thereafter. In closing, I believe there is blame to be had for both, not that that matters except to them in the grand scheme. It is my opinion that sexual violence has nothing to do with the value of this scriptural account.
MarciJuly 3, 2018
Thanks for this insightful article. So Bathsheba was at the mikvah bathing. The three or four mikvah in our Florida city are all indoors, but maybe this one wasn't.
JoshuaJuly 3, 2018
I respectfully disagree with much of the tenor of this article. I also disagree with previous notions that cast Bathsheba as a "no-good temptress and seductress" as well. We need to be careful in making the David and Bathsheba story into another #metoo story. By doing this, we are no better than those that laid the whole blame at the feet of Bathsheba when the winds of society and politics were blowing in another direction. The scriptural account is unsupportive of the nuance that author is stating as fact. What we do know is that adultery is sexual relations between two consenting individuals. We do know that the Mosaic Law, though the lesser law, is God's Law and a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ, men and women both. We know that the Lord loved David and he in both character and example was in similitude of Christ. He did indeed fall from grace but was an example in humility and repentance there after. In closing, I believe there is blame to be had for both. It is my opinion that sexual violence has nothing to do with the value of this scriptural account.
Kenneth LindseyJuly 3, 2018
Wow! Talk about “putting a little light on the subject”! I have never even considered this clarification of my very obvious misinterpitation of Biblical history. Thank you so much!
Tom JohnsonJuly 3, 2018
I'm not sure I can agree with you about Bathsheba. She was a Jew and knew the law--particularly that adultery was prohibited. I'm sure she responded to David's invitation as her king to come to him, but I believe she could have said No to his physical advances when she got there. David could not have compelled her against her will because what he wanted to do would have become known and too shameful for David to proceed. But, Bathsheba was not aware of or complicit in the death of her husband as far as the record shows. Adultery on the part of both of them could have been forgiven, but David's action in arranging the death of Uriah was not forgivable. That is why David lost his exaltation and his wives (including Bathsheba) were given to another. D&C 132:39.Perhaps Bathsheba did fully repent of her adultery; she suffered from the death of her son from David; the fact that she had worldly honors as mother of King Solomon doesn't tell me anything about the state of her repentance or spiritual health.
LexaGraemeJuly 3, 2018
Thank you. Thank you. I have never jumped down a Gospel Doctrine teacher’s throat so hard as I did to the one who implied that Bathsheba had been “asking for it”. I shot that down as a Seminary teacher, as well. Thank you.
Jeanne BrownJuly 3, 2018
Thank you for this article! It was insinuated in our SS class that she bore some of the blame! I went ballistic and did a great deal of research and came up with many of your conclusions. I posted this article on our ward FB page, as a "supplement" to the lesson, "clarifying" a few points. I did not want to offend, but the misconceptions about Bathsheba are rampant... I for one have always seen her as a victim of David's pending fall from grace....thank you for the well written article that defends this valiant woman!
CynthiaJuly 3, 2018
Thank you for this thoughtful article. Much to ponder here.
MikeJuly 3, 2018
The optional version here with an added 21st century feminist movement - victim society's based perspective always brings a smile and head shaking hmmmm. More insightfully questioned might be where was Bathsheba during David's voyeurism (a location sufficient for such an ordinance with a person of Bathsheba's family standing). An understanding of how individuals of the time specific era viewed obedience to man's law and being in such situation with the king (possibly she felt it an honor above wifely fidelity? - most probably not but, ? ? ?) The author did not bring the subject of the story around to explain where Bathsheba was (or not), and why that was/is important to the story.
Ruth JamiesonJuly 3, 2018
I cannot thank you enough for this information! It is so beautifully written and brings so much clarity to this biblical story. Just loved it.
BryanJuly 3, 2018
Great insights into Jewish custom and society. Thanks. Regarding David possibly receiving exaltation, what about what it says in D&C 132:39? Doesn't that say he will never receive exaltation? I'm curious about your thoughts on that scripture.
Great article!
CharlieBrown2292July 3, 2018
Very fair to this poor woman, who paid such a dear price for looking attractive. Knowing how to Presidents of the United States in recent history abused young female Interns while they were in the White House, it is not difficult to imagine that David fell in the same type of temptation, that had been cultivated for years through collecting wives and concubines.
MeganJuly 3, 2018
I really appreciated your insight here! Our Sunday school class assumed she was on the roof, and treated her as such. I am so glad I read this article.
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Iliana martinsenSeptember 21, 2019
It is hard to read all these comments, I think we all are victims of these constant promptings from Lucifer. If Lucifer was villain enough to tempt our Lord Jesus the Christ, what can we expect from David?. He was a victim too; Lucifer knew the glory that awaits for David and he Lucifer worked extra hard to make sure David won't be able to reach it. What am I trying to say is this: We have no right to point a finger to any of them we weren`t there, I don`t think for a minute that our own lives are perfect we all have ups and downs we are not by any means perfect humans, so please stop calling King David rapist or, bathsheba seducer respect them we all will someday heading there means the other side of the veil and our own eyes will be open to the perfect truth of what or how really happens... meanwhile be respectful and focussed on our own personal progress.
Larisa SchumannAugust 8, 2018
Thanks for your insightful and thought-provoking article!
Marilyn SamsJuly 19, 2018
David's palace was located at the top of the ridge in the City of David, on the east of the temple acropolis, south of the Gihon Spring All other homes on the southeastern hill would have been lower, either south or east. Mikvehs or ritual baths are usually on the interior of homes, in a shower-like structure, because ritual cleansings were done in the nude and required immersion. If David saw her bathing, she may not have been on her roof, but could have been on an open porch, or where open doors into the interior would allow some "line of sight." It is difficult to dismiss Bathsheba's guilt in being in such a line of sight, which would have been on the mind of any virtuous woman taking her clothes off in a neighborhood where people above could see her. She certainly would have been aware of which building above her was David's palace.
redfiveJuly 18, 2018
Where did the idea come from that Bathsheba was bathing on the roof? From the 1985 movie King David, starring Richard Gere and Alice Kriger. And once again the entertainment industry and popular culture shape our perceptions....
SierraJuly 15, 2018
I love this article! We discussed this story in gospel doctrine today and it was very comforting for me to have these insights to rely on when we discussed the misconceptions that often arise with this story. I do have a question. It was really interesting for me to learn about how Bathsheba's bathing was not just hygienic, but that it was a ceremonious cleansing following the end of her period. Historically, would a woman bathe immediately after her period ended, or days later? If the former were true, then she would not have been fertile for another 5-12 days. This would possibly introduce another element of this story: that David perhaps did not send messengers for her right when he saw her, but he let the temptation dwell in his heart for a few days afterwards, and then finally gave in. At that point she would have been fertile, which would explain why she conceived. What are your thoughts?
MartinJuly 14, 2018
I am grateful for everyone's comments. They all have helped me. I believe this account is not a historical record. I believe it is a story, a biblical story to teach a particular doctrine or principle. Sure context is helpful, but it is not primary. I believe it's more important personal benefit is to liken it to ourselves, and learn something Heavenly Father wants us to know. For me, that's asking myself questions. How and when am I like David? Bathsheba? Uriah? What am I going through right now that might lead me to act like David? Can I patiently and humbly repent for a lifetime if needed? Could I ever be as loyal and obedient as Uriah? What would I have to change in myself to be so? What must Bathsheba felt when she was 'taken' by David? when her husband was killed? Did she believe she was the cause of his death? Can this story teach me to really sympathize and empathize with others who I have trouble relating to? How can my relationship with Heavenly Father and the Savior improve from what I learn? How does the Atonement improve my benefit of the lessons of this story as opposed to if I try on my own efforts? And, can I come away from this story with a stronger, more peaceful faith,or do I walk away angry or unsettled? etc etc.
CeilcorJuly 13, 2018
I think it isn’t anyone’s place to judge either David or Bathsheba. Who really knows the truth except those who were there?? It seems to me it’s quite possible Bathsheba learned to love David—there certainly appears to be some respect in their relationship eg David honoring her request and therefore placing her in a very honorable position. Speculation is not part of the gospel of Jesus Christ!!
Nanette KearlJuly 13, 2018
I loved reading your article the first time it was posted on Meridian. I have thought back to it several times and mentioned it to other colleagues. Your article has created beautiful discourse and made so many connections historically, culturally and was presented so relevantly in today's context. I can't help but think that when any one of us jumps to conclusions, some that others present or have perpetuated in several environments that it taints our ability to be fresh to new ideas and truths that we ourselves did not or cannot take the time nor have the understanding to develop. You have quenched the thirst of many as I read the comments. Thank you for your prayerful guidance and gifts of understanding and expression.
K. PolakoffJuly 8, 2018
Great insights. What I learn from the story of David is that the Lord looks upon our whole life, not just one good or bad act. I also see that one action can have eternal consequences. I also see that repentance is not a one time thing and David spends the rest of his life reconciling himself. I gain hope in my own repentance and there are still blessings. That Christ coming from his lineage still speaks highly of David.
BusterJuly 6, 2018
What about Uriah? Not much mention of him. He is also a victim and by all reports a very honorable and loyal warrior.
Ann-MarieJuly 6, 2018
Thank you for this very insightful and well-researched article. I have a new appreciation for this unique story. And just one comment on a thought expressed by another: while they do not believe David was capable of being a rapist, they overlook the evidence that David later became a murderer.
Maryann TaylorJuly 5, 2018
This article began well, but took an extreme feminist nose- dive with accusations against David based on very weak assumptions. These questionable assumptions are just as wrong as claiming that Bathsheba was guilty of any sin. I think it is a serious error to accuse David of rape. That is an extreme indictment with too little evidence. There is also absolutely no evidence that Bathsheba lived in "fear" of David's attentions after their marriage. David was described as "beautiful," and we know he had many other admirable traits. It would not surprise me in the least if Bathsheba actually fell in love with David. I do agree that Bathsheba was an innocent party in their adulterous relationship and we also know from the Bible that she mourned for her husband, Uriah.
RivkahJuly 5, 2018
More to the point: David INQUIRED as to who she was BEFORE he took her. He knew very well that she was married ERGO he is a rapist. Loved the article.
SophiaJuly 4, 2018
Your insights into Jewish custom and social mores explain really well Bathshebas situation. It seems what you have found in your research perfectly matches what the scriptures actually tell us. Thankyou! I enjoyed this article so much.
AftenJuly 4, 2018
While I totally and completly agree with you that Bathsheba should not be villainize and accused of doing things we have no evidence of, neither should David. We do not have enough information and we have no right to claim that David raped Bathsheba. The Old Testament is full of stories where women are raped and it is VERY clear that they were raped. It is not clear in this instance so it should not be assumed. You are basing your theory off an imperfect translation of the Bible and a quote from an unsourced book. The word "took" was also used in describing Isaac's and Rebekah's relationship. It is very clear that it was Rebeckah's own decision to go and become Isaac's wife. Stating that Bathsheba was washing because she was purifying herself makes sense when you read the King James translation, but in other translations it states that AFTER they slept together, she purified herself and went home. I'm not a biblical scholar so I don't know what rituals needed to happen, but it does state in several versions that she was purifed or cleansed after and not before. I get as mad as anybody when people accuse Bathsheba of seducing David and I am very vocal in her defense. It is not right to assume and especially to teach that as part of the story. Again, it is not at all right to assume and then teach that David was a rapist and Bathsheba spent the rest of her life being harassed by the man who assaulted her. We don't know that. We should not assume or teach that. David's fall is so pitiful because he had been so great. He spent the rest of his life repenting of this sin even though there was no hope of his ever receiving exaltation. He did a horrific thing. He then repented as much as he possibly could and was faithful to God the rest of his life. Do not brand either person a villain. It is not your place to judge David just as it is not anybody else's to judge Bathsheba.
bknitterJuly 4, 2018
For those who choose to shake their heads and "brings a smile" while blaming Bathsheba, face the fact that David was a lecherous peeping Tom. That is it, that is all. He was leering over the walls of people's houses, he chose a vantage point where he could invade her privacy. Whoever got the idea that she was "...openly bathed where anyone from any vantage point could view them," is a horribly wrong assumption to avoid placing the blame where it is due. Moreover, it does not matter what she was doing in her private space any more than it would matter to a voyeur that you are in your kitchen, in your living room, even in your back yard, what matters that he ~chose~ to watch, that he ~chose~ to not turn away. Lastly, see how Nathan spoke to David "the rich man...took the poor man’s lamb..." Not, "the poor man's lamb seduced the rich man" and certainly not that "the lamb secretly wanted to be slaughtered by the rich man." No, the rich man abused his authority, "And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man."
BathshebaJuly 4, 2018
Jim and Tom. You have no idea what it’s like to be a woman. Simply saying no does not stop men from taking advantage of a woman. You weren’t there when Bathsheba was taken so you can’t claim she didn’t try to stop David. If she was in her private residence, why is she held accountable for David looking through her window? David saw Bathsheba and lusted after her. Bathsheba was minding her own business. That mentality is exactly what blames victims for their own rape. Women are not responsible for the crimes against them. Period. It doesn’t matter what they are or are not wearing. It doesn’t matter where she is. A woman doesn’t ask to be raped. A woman is not as strong as a man, generally speaking, and can’t often fend off a man. Another thing is that if you could not refuse a king without losing your head; look at Henry the 8th. This article was great at explaining the story for our modern times. Too bad a misogynist can’t understand that women have the right to their own bodies. Yes I’m a modern woman living the gospel. And yes, I too have be raped. In case you’re wondering I was wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and sandals. How provocative of me to show my arms and feet. It didn’t matter that I said no, it still happened. Bathsheba was innocent, and if you can’t see that you need to go back and read the story again, and pray for understanding. Stop blaming women for men’s actions. #metoo
BradJuly 4, 2018
I don't know where you got the idea that anyone thought Bathsheba was on the roof. That's not what the scriptures state, and the image I've always had was that David was on his roof and from that high vantage point saw Bathsheba bathing below - probably behind her home in a fenced in area that was private except for someone up high. I enjoyed the rest of your article. Good job.
JoshuaJuly 3, 2018
I respectfully disagree with much of the “sexual violence” tenor of this article. I also disagree with previous notions that cast Bathsheba as a "no-good temptress and seductress" as well. We need to be careful in making the David and Bathsheba story into another #metoo story. By doing this, we are no better than those that laid the whole blame at the feet of Bathsheba when the winds of society and politics were blowing in another direction. The scriptural account is unsupportive of the nuance that author is stating as fact. What we do know is that adultery is sexual relations between two consenting individuals. We do know that the Mosaic Law, though the lesser law, is God's Law and a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ, men and women both. We know that the Lord loved David and he in both character and example was in similitude of Christ. He did indeed fall from grace but was an example of humility and repentance thereafter. In closing, I believe there is blame to be had for both, not that that matters except to them in the grand scheme. It is my opinion that sexual violence has nothing to do with the value of this scriptural account.
SHendersonJuly 3, 2018
I do not believe we have enough information to determine Bathsheba's intent while washing herself. To suggest that she knew precisely where to position herself so that the king could see her from his rooftop seems like a stretch to me. Did she know the layout of the rooftop and the habits of the king to walk out on that rooftop? Seems to me she would have to have a lot of information that she likely did not have in order to intentionally seduce him. Her location and intentions are never clarified, so we cannot assign blame to her. David's intentions, however, were clear and decisive. He saw her, wanted her, and took her - all with the knowledge that she was not available as a partner. Had he chosen to look away and turn his passions toward his own wife (He had many to choose from. Surely one could have satisfied his passion.), he would have avoided this descent into sin. This story is often used to reinforce modesty for women, which I completely agree is important. However, I do not believe the extrapolation can be made that females are seeking out sexual advances by dressing imodestly according to the church's standards. We can make life a lot easier for men by choosing modest clothing, but it is ultimately their choice to dwell on what they see or to look away. That, I believe is the bigger lesson of David. Turn away from the natural man and cling to the teachings of Christ.
CraigJuly 3, 2018
I've always been discouraged that Sunday school teachers present king David as a great man and a hero. I've never thought that. When you compare Saul and David Saul is guilty of misdemeanors while David is guilty of felonies. Guess he just had better press. David the rapist, David the murderer, David the thief. He was just a petty warlord.
JimJuly 3, 2018
I would be interested to see how many modern Gospel centered women, not to mention faithful women in an era of much stricter social constructs, have ever openly bathed where anyone from any vantage point could view them. I suspect not many. As a youth, I took seriously President Kimball’s admonition to protect your chastity with your life. Loosing your life if necessary to stay, morally clean. Certainly Bathsheba could have resisted. Completely innocent, no. The modern twist of her repeated victimization was also misplaced. I did like the focus that author gave to the sincere repentance of both individuals. I do hope that David finds complete forgiveness. For Bathsheba’s sake and eternal happiness. In painting her queenly assention, shurely she loved David and would want his eternal companionship. How do modern feminist react to DC 132:39 that the wives are given to someone else? I honor and revere both David and Bathsheba as excellent characters in our wonderful Gospel heritage.
JoshuaJuly 3, 2018
I respectfully disagree with much of the tenor of this article. I also disagree with previous notions that cast Bathsheba as a "no-good temptress and seductress" as well. We need to be careful in making the David and Bathsheba story into another #metoo story. By doing this, we are no better than those that laid the whole blame at the feet of Bathsheba when the winds of society and politics were blowing in another direction. The scriptural account is unsupportive of the nuance that author is stating as fact. What we do know is that adultery is sexual relations between two consenting individuals. We do know that the Mosaic Law, though the lesser law, is God's Law and a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ, men and women both. We know that the Lord loved David and he in both character and example was in similitude of Christ. He did indeed fall from grace but was an example of humility and repentance thereafter. In closing, I believe there is blame to be had for both, not that that matters except to them in the grand scheme. It is my opinion that sexual violence has nothing to do with the value of this scriptural account.
MarciJuly 3, 2018
Thanks for this insightful article. So Bathsheba was at the mikvah bathing. The three or four mikvah in our Florida city are all indoors, but maybe this one wasn't.
JoshuaJuly 3, 2018
I respectfully disagree with much of the tenor of this article. I also disagree with previous notions that cast Bathsheba as a "no-good temptress and seductress" as well. We need to be careful in making the David and Bathsheba story into another #metoo story. By doing this, we are no better than those that laid the whole blame at the feet of Bathsheba when the winds of society and politics were blowing in another direction. The scriptural account is unsupportive of the nuance that author is stating as fact. What we do know is that adultery is sexual relations between two consenting individuals. We do know that the Mosaic Law, though the lesser law, is God's Law and a schoolmaster to bring people to Christ, men and women both. We know that the Lord loved David and he in both character and example was in similitude of Christ. He did indeed fall from grace but was an example in humility and repentance there after. In closing, I believe there is blame to be had for both. It is my opinion that sexual violence has nothing to do with the value of this scriptural account.
Kenneth LindseyJuly 3, 2018
Wow! Talk about “putting a little light on the subject”! I have never even considered this clarification of my very obvious misinterpitation of Biblical history. Thank you so much!
Tom JohnsonJuly 3, 2018
I'm not sure I can agree with you about Bathsheba. She was a Jew and knew the law--particularly that adultery was prohibited. I'm sure she responded to David's invitation as her king to come to him, but I believe she could have said No to his physical advances when she got there. David could not have compelled her against her will because what he wanted to do would have become known and too shameful for David to proceed. But, Bathsheba was not aware of or complicit in the death of her husband as far as the record shows. Adultery on the part of both of them could have been forgiven, but David's action in arranging the death of Uriah was not forgivable. That is why David lost his exaltation and his wives (including Bathsheba) were given to another. D&C 132:39.Perhaps Bathsheba did fully repent of her adultery; she suffered from the death of her son from David; the fact that she had worldly honors as mother of King Solomon doesn't tell me anything about the state of her repentance or spiritual health.
LexaGraemeJuly 3, 2018
Thank you. Thank you. I have never jumped down a Gospel Doctrine teacher’s throat so hard as I did to the one who implied that Bathsheba had been “asking for it”. I shot that down as a Seminary teacher, as well. Thank you.
Jeanne BrownJuly 3, 2018
Thank you for this article! It was insinuated in our SS class that she bore some of the blame! I went ballistic and did a great deal of research and came up with many of your conclusions. I posted this article on our ward FB page, as a "supplement" to the lesson, "clarifying" a few points. I did not want to offend, but the misconceptions about Bathsheba are rampant... I for one have always seen her as a victim of David's pending fall from grace....thank you for the well written article that defends this valiant woman!
CynthiaJuly 3, 2018
Thank you for this thoughtful article. Much to ponder here.
MikeJuly 3, 2018
The optional version here with an added 21st century feminist movement - victim society's based perspective always brings a smile and head shaking hmmmm. More insightfully questioned might be where was Bathsheba during David's voyeurism (a location sufficient for such an ordinance with a person of Bathsheba's family standing). An understanding of how individuals of the time specific era viewed obedience to man's law and being in such situation with the king (possibly she felt it an honor above wifely fidelity? - most probably not but, ? ? ?) The author did not bring the subject of the story around to explain where Bathsheba was (or not), and why that was/is important to the story.
Ruth JamiesonJuly 3, 2018
I cannot thank you enough for this information! It is so beautifully written and brings so much clarity to this biblical story. Just loved it.
BryanJuly 3, 2018
Great insights into Jewish custom and society. Thanks. Regarding David possibly receiving exaltation, what about what it says in D&C 132:39? Doesn't that say he will never receive exaltation? I'm curious about your thoughts on that scripture. Great article!
CharlieBrown2292July 3, 2018
Very fair to this poor woman, who paid such a dear price for looking attractive. Knowing how to Presidents of the United States in recent history abused young female Interns while they were in the White House, it is not difficult to imagine that David fell in the same type of temptation, that had been cultivated for years through collecting wives and concubines.
MeganJuly 3, 2018
I really appreciated your insight here! Our Sunday school class assumed she was on the roof, and treated her as such. I am so glad I read this article.
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