I have been a fan of the BSA most of my life. I believe that Baden-Powell was inspired to develop the scouting program. His plan is no longer being followed. The article talks of compromise. You cannot compromise with evil. God never has. A think is either good or bad, evil or righteous. There is no in between. Now the liberal courts are trying to take away the agency of man, one of the greatest gifts God has given us. We cannot compromise on that. Either we have it or we don't. We can't pick and choose which freedoms to permit. Too many have given their very lives to preserve that agency. What will happen when some gay couple wants to be married in the temple and the authorities say no? We must have the faith and courage to stand up for what we know is right and defend it even unto death. That is one of the covenants we make in the temple. This is just another attempt by the adversary to thwart the plans of God and he must ultimately fail. We will be tested and if found worthy will be awarded God's greatest gifts. Immortality and Eternal Life. So be it. Selah.
Meagan sexual abuse of children. How do you use a 17 year old study to show a point that isn't even valid? Of course in 1998 more child abuse would be by heterosexual men. Most men are heterosexual, especially in 1998. I'm sure today that most men that abuse children are heterosexual. The correct study would be, what percentage of gay men vs heterosexual men abuse children. Of course you have to define abuse. Some people don't feel experimentation is abuse. I would disagree. Also it isn't just about abuse it is about example. I wouldn't want my children influenced by someone that has the exact opposite views on morality than I do. I may not be concerned about abuse, but I would be concerned about influence.
"It is unpleasant to not be able to compromise and have to think in terms of coming legal threats instead of good faith discussions, but in this legal climate there’s no choice."Disagree. It is indeed pleasant not to be able to compromise, nor do I want to compromise. Why would anyone want to? Compromise in this case would be surrender.
The fullness of the Gentiles is coming in and soon God will speak his own sermons. I for one am looking forward to an expansion of the Duty to God program and an end to the Boy Scout movement in the Church. It is time for the Caravan to Move On.
Meagan - The % of males in the US who are self-identified homosexuals is 1.8%. Of course the majority of abuse cases are going to be heterosexual males! However...If the study you cite is correct, wouldn't the molesters be proving by molesting BOYS that they aren't truly heterosexual?
Regardless of the numbers of perpetrators, homosexual or heterosexual, I wouldn't send my boys to overnight scout camps if they had female leaders. I do not think it is appropriate to have leaders who have potential to be attracted to whatever gender they are in charge of. If it is not okay for the troupe to have female leaders, it is not okay for the troupes to have homosexual leaders.
Several years ago I attended the Miracle Pageant in Manti, Utah. I don't recall much about the performance except for one line spoken by an "angel" (actor) who said: "When you compromise with evil, evil always wins!" If the play is still being held I hope this line is still included. I also hope "The Brethren" follow this teaching. President Spencer W. Kimball in his October, 1977 conference address said this: "We do not hesitate to tell the world that the cure for these evils is not in surrender. But let us emphasize the right and wrong, righteousness and sin, are not dependent upon man's interpretations, conventions and attitudes. Social acceptance does not change the status of an act, making wrong into right. If all the people in the world were to accept homosexuality, . . .the practice would still be a deep, dark sin." I know we are asked to follow the living prophet and I do. I just pray that our living prophet believes as President Kimball did and will not permit the Lord's Church to compromise with evil by remaining with the BSA.
i agree with what cubby has said, and i have raised my arm to the square and i follow the Prophet.
Please, educate yourself about the sexual abuse of children. Molesters are MUCH more likely to be heterosexual than homosexual.
A whopping 98% of all male perpetrators of child sexual abusers are heterosexual! https://stopabusecampaign.com/most-sex-abusers-are-heterosexual/ gives studies and details why it is so harmful to these victims that our society ties their abuse to their abuser's sexual orientation or the victim's sexual orientation. ABUSE IS ABOUT POWER."The truth is that the overwhelming majority of sex abuse criminals are heterosexual males.
Dr. William C. Holmes, Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, authored a study in the December 1998 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association that indicated that 98 percent of all male perpetrators who had sexually abused boys were identified in their families and communities as heterosexual."
The gradual loss of religious liberty is truly alarming.
Absolutely correct. I am a big fan of scouting, but I've never felt comfortable with the way that the church runs scouting, it's more like scouting-light. As a scouter for years, the only major difficulty we had in our council camps came from LDS troops. More than half the church already uses a different program than scouts for the young men's program (outside the USA). I am actually hopeful that this decision would be the push the church needs to streamline the YM program and leave the BSA.
But in terms of the legal issues specifically, I'very already seen news releases from LGBT groups announcing their next legal attacks at churches in general and the LDS church specifically, in order to try to destroy religious freedom. Using the BSA decision as a step in this process is just as was noted above. If we are OK with LGBT scout leaders, why not callings? I don't know how true the one report, but one group has already talked about using the church's standing on allowing LGBT members (as long as you aren't acting on the attraction you can still be a member in good standing), to get temple recommends and then file suit because they can't get married in a temple.
I have spent a t 32 years in Scouting and have loved my service there. I have been in meetings where all the matters have been discussed in the past. This is not something new. I am no longer in Scouting as I am serving the Lord overseas but my h earth is still in Scouting. We occasionally discussed times when our boys were molested. I have seen the effects of molestation as a parent, a Scout leader, a professional counselor and a tcher on both boys and girls and it lasts a lifetime.
If the church chooses to with draw from the Scouting program I have loved and supported for so many years, 32 to be exact, I fully support our leaders in that decision because it is no longer the Scouting program I have been a part of.
The church has never needed the
Scouting program. We are capable of developing our own program. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next months and years.
I say, follow the prophet.
Because the religious patrons of the occupying statist theocracy infesting this land have chosen to genuflect to carnal gods’, their dogmas and their canons, substantively rejecting the God of this land, His laws and His ways (by way of example, by whole heartedly accepting compelled compliance, government licenses, victimless crimes, larceny with impunity and demonic design enforcement, demonstratively antithetical to God endowed inalienable rights), this shemitah and next will burst forth in biblical proportions. The vast majority have been deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
One thing is certain: The Church did not "shoot from the hip" in the press release. Something of that magnitude is not the result of a quick "Now what?" meeting in the Public Affairs. It was undoubtedly written and approved prior to the July vacation period. All it would take would be a quick phone call from the a member of the First Presidency authorizing its release and the media would be fed until further decisions could be made.
I'm wondering at what point "the cup of their iniquity is full", when we'll see a replay of Sodom and Gomorrah. History repeats, and those who haven't learned its lessons seem quite determined as their efforts demonstrate their insistence that they have the right and seek every opportunity to experience an encore performance. It's going to get very interesting.
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