Anon Anon: Card is not being maligned? I happened to catch some prime time network television where Card was being maligned by none other than Harrison Ford, numero uno star in Ender's Game.
This is a neat article. Science fiction is way to open peoples minds to new ideas. The article closes with a reference to the book "stranger from a strange land" concerning a fellow from Mars who was sort of a Christ/Buddha come to earth. "Time Enough for Love" has Mr. Long having (via time travel) an affair with his mom, cloning a couple twin girls from himself. In the case of Orson Scott Card we see the dialectic process at work shifting us ever further into the world of the future.
This is absurd. Card isn't being maligned by the main stream at all. I was a fan of Card for years and years before I even learned of his unbecoming homophobia. Even after learning about his archaic views, I have continued to enjoy his literature.
PS: My wife and I saw it on an IMAX screen. Truly awe inspiring.
Note: Those of us not used to modern movie theater audio volumes should bring sound reducing earplugs -- my wife used them to good effect.
Note as well: READ THE BOOK.
Available as an eBook at B&N for four bucks!
Scott Card was right -- the controversy helped to propel Ender's Game to the number 1 boxoffice spot, raking in, as of today, $ 31 million. see ==> https://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=endersgame.htm
I'm not in agreement about a boycott of Scott's movie, and everyone is certainly allowed to have their own views (religious or otherwise.)
However, expressing a displeasure about same-sex marriage or Orson Scott Card is an entirely different category than attempting to make your views a legal mandate on all people, which is what Prop 8 and it's like does.
Orson Scott Card should be able to express his views. Others should be able to state their objection to his views. No one should be able to force their views on others through force of law.
As to the "what do we do" question, I think D&C 101:81-92 gives the answer. We importune judges, governors, and the president for relief and if we don't have religious liberty preserved, the Lord will vex the nation and cut off the wicked. "Pray ye, therefore, that their ears may be opened unto your cries, that I may be merciful unto them, that these things may not come upon them."
Wow! Why react so emotionally to what a few wackos on the left think about OSC. There are plenty of wackos on the right (some of them have posted here) that I find offensive, and despite their professed allegiance to the gospel, are totally out of touch with the teachings of Jesus in much of their own political assertions. BTW - I enjoyed the movie, I'm LDS and definitely more liberal than most of the writers here.
Robert S. - You think it's about love and tolerance? Explore the legal issues of Same Sex Marriage and how that leaves the children of such unions in potentially huge legal and personal messes. They truly are the bully's - manufacturing victim situations. They are not content to do as they please which is their right; they only are satisfied if they can control,manipulate and force their lifestyle on the rest of us.
The LDS community would be well-served by this current affairs example.
How often are we tempted to cast aspersions and calumny on those whose only crime is to disagree with us?
Political correctness today has stealthily overtaken our First Amendment right to freedom of speech. And it has occurred much in the same way that the flaxen cord, mentioned in the Book of Mormon, turned into an awful chain.
We should not be shocked by this, as Nephi took the time to warn us (regarding Satan and his methods),
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. For every bigot, hate, bully label leveled, I return. I even had a comment directed toward me that I can't be intolerant of intolerance that is illogical. His post reminds me of a child "I said it first." "It only counts when I say it." LOL
There is no group of bigots and haters greater than those who evangelize gay marriage. Eventually their destructive tactics like boycott will be turned against them and then what.
I haven't read all the comments, but, as one earlier said, What has the world come to? You can tell it IS the Latter Days as the Signs of the Times are coming to pass. There is a division happening amoung the children of men. Satan has a great hold upon those in the world and in the "promised land. Where good becomes evil and evil becomes good. Watch and be weary because it will get much much worse, before it gets better. I am glad that OSC is standing up for his beliefs, I too oppose Same sex marriage. And commend OSC for being vocal about it. If all so called Christians would stand up for what they profess to believe, and follow what the bible teaches, then this would not be an issue.
I am amazed when I read if I express my views on e.g same sex marriage and it is not what someone else believes I would be branded as a bigot, I may not agree with someone's views or way of life but they have the right to express that, which I accept. What I find difficult to come to terms with that freedom of speak has now had a turn around. Wasn't the fight for ALL to have freedom to speak without abuse. This is the first time I have commented but the world is now becoming scary. I hope that we will become tolerant of each other and be willing to accept that we can express our thoughts without the bullying I know see, from those who should know better.
I don't care about the book or the movie, or Orson Scott Card. He has the right to hold whatever views he does on marriage equality, and those who find his views repugnant have the equal right to oppose them vigorously. What I don't like is defending bigotry and small-minded ignorance under the cover of religion. That just debases the concept of religion.
David Weigel's comment reveals him to be a robot of the left. He is obviously ignorant of the book and is too bigotted to seen the movie, which gradually reveals the horror of a society which coldly militarizes its youth. Quite the opposite of The Triumph of the Will.
The movie is excellent.
Fact: Orson Scott Card is not a "homophobe". He has gay friends who disagree with his position on Gay Marriage and yet still remain on good terms with him. Another fact: his view on Gay Marriage is synonymous with the view of the LDS Church on Gay Marriage. More information on their views can be found at www.lds.org and www.mormonsandgays.org. Yes, he did (and still does, for all I know) serve on serve on the National Organization for Marriage, which defines marriage as ONLY between a man and a woman - which, again is the LDS Church's stand on the issue.
Essentially put, those who oppose gay marriage are called everything but a human being while those who are for it are called human and everything positive. Ever heard of double-standarded hypocrisy? No? Didn't think so.
One person expressed disappointment with Card's article where he talked about Obama's national police created from thugs. (https://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2013-05-09-1.html) So, I went to the URL mentioned in his/her comment.
What this person failed to mention, as I show below, was the 2x Card stated it was not true. Typical fear monger, trying to distort quotes of people to support their point and show people with differing opinions in a bad light.
Trust me, it's worse in Silicon Valley in CA, where it's almost a crime to express a conservative opinion.
"This is the column where I predict how American democracy ends.
No, no, it's just a silly thought experiment! I'm not serious about this! Nobody can predict the future! It's just a game. The game of Unlikely Events."
And the article finishes with:
"Just kidding. Because if I really believed this stuff, would I actually write this essay?"
The thought police are proving themselves fascists. When opinions become legally defined as hate, opinions will be criminal. This is of course Orwellian, and those who attack freedom prove themselves acting as fascists. This is what is truly progressive: socio-fascism, and it progresses until a people, a nation or the world has had enough of it. Dressed up in new clothing, it is the same old evil.
I own many of O.S.Cards books. I no longer buy them because I don't have the spare cash, but I still often read his books, although I haven't been as impressed with his latest.
I think his views on Same-Sex marriage are distasteful and hateful, as frankly much of his current political speech marks him as a kook in my eyes. But I don't read his books because of his political views and so long as h eisn't using his stories to promote his views I don't really care.
That said the activities by the activists in support of same-sex marriage to boycott his Film are completely legitimate. It's exactly the sort of behaviour that the opponents to same-sex marriage have used in the past. The complaints about it been used against Cards movie are simply hypocritical. That said my decision to watch or not his movie will be based entirely on how good a job I think they did in translating a book/novella I loved into a movie.
Much as I ignore such campaigns by the Right I will ignore them by the left, but both sides have the right to use the tactic, regardless of how I may dislike it.
Just an FYI all of you fellow mormons, List 1 single scripture FROM the book of mormon saying or even implying that homosexuality is wrong???
and Before you start spouting the Bible, remember article of faith 8.We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
And Finally 1 last thing, the remember a time when black men were not allowed to have the priesthood? hmmmm yeah through modern day revelation that changed. Who is to say that modern day revelation will not change in attitude toward our views of homosexuality? Very recently the Church has come and CONFIRMED that being gay is not a CHOICE, Honestly how long do you think its going to be till it shifts even more? (it may or may not, thats not for me to judge) Simply put, we have been told by our Church leaders to love our gay brothers and lesbian sisters.
As for Mr. Card, I love his writing, that is not going to change because of his personal belief that may or may not have changed since the church's recent proclamation. If it hasn't changed that's between him and God, it does not change the fact that I believe he is an excellent writer.
A minor factual quibble for Arnold Miller: Card didn't write the book from which the movie "The Abyss" was made. He was hired to write it --from-- the screenplay, to make a book from the movie story. His book added a lot of backstory and fleshed out the characters much more deeply than the movie had time for. Source: The book itself.
What happened to freedom of religion, speech and the press? I do not have to agree with an artist to appreciate the work. Discrimination against a straight person is just as abhorrent as discrimination against Blacks, Gays, Women or the Handicapped.
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
I've purchased my tickets for tonight and will likely see the movie more than once, if only to "vote with my wallet." I am torn, though ... because I would also be lining the pockets of the hateful Harrison Ford and the haters at Lions Gate. I do hate sins of discrimination and bigotry, but Daniel-san's are far worse than Card's ... because Card doesn't hate homosexuals, nor have I seen any indication that he has discriminated against any homosexuals. The only actual bigotry present is being displayed by the ever so tolerant left.
The movie is great. Hang in there Orson you are an amazing talent. Evil is evil and it has never been more manifest than with those that insult and degrade those of us who stick up for our beliefs. I hope we all can be strong in our convictions as the nation crumbles in moral decadency.
and this one: How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.
Biological imperatives trump laws. American government cannot fight against marriage and hope to endure. If the Constitution is defined in such a way as to destroy the privileged position of marriage, it is that insane Constitution, not marriage, that will die.
I have two daughters who are in committed lesbian relationships. I love them and their partners, and we have loving relationships. And, if you ask them, they will tell you that they know it. But, I oppose same-sex marriage for religions reasons, and am politically active and vocal in opposing the GLBT agenda. So am I a bigot? Homophobe?
The only opinion I care about is my Heavenly Father.
I have always enjoyed Brother Card's work and will continue to do so. I'm an avid Sci Fi fan as well as a strong member of the LDS Faith. Yes those two are compatible. I thoroughly enjoyed his earlier book-made-into- movie: "The Abyse". I look forward to seeing "Ender's Game" as well. I call everyone who agrees with me to see this film. Don't cut off your noses to spite your faces. See it multiple times as I will.
How dare other people tell me what I can believe. I will always demand the right to my own opinion! I will also defend anyone who has a opinion different from mine. What a terrible world it would be if we were all the same. Mr. Card is and always with be a great author. To me he is a man who spreads the seeds of our faith to many. Some of his books, those very few books, he wrote that are questionable, but who isn't living life....on a learning curve, so to speak.... in their lives. Carry On, Brother Card, Carry on!!
I'm struggling to comprehend the stupidity of those who demand we live by their rules. I will definitely see this film. I have a great deal of respect for Orson Scott Card
Hard to believe this is happening. I am a big fan of Orson Scott Card. He is an amazing writer. I am glad his book is finally a movie. This badgering about same-sex marriage has no place in the quality of the movie in my opinion. Our country is. "going to wrack and ruin." Marriage is between a man and a woman. Other relationships need to have a different title - I wish someone would come up with an acceptable title for such. I favor "Domestic Companion" or Domestic Partner." Anyone else out there with this opinion??
Brother Card did indeed say he would take down the government; well, more accurately he wrote it in a column for the Deseret News.
Orson Scott Card deserves everything that is being said about him. Hamlet's Father and his own comments show that he is a homophobic hateful bigot and not just someone who is against gay marriage. Also free speech means you can say what you want, but that doesn't mean people can't publicly criticize you for what you say.
Not to worry about the films success. Negative moves like this only increase the films notoriety. Even those who say they hate ta-do, ta-do, their curiosity will bring them to the theater. Wait till it hits DVD. Might break records..
Orson Scott Card has his First Amendment right to speak his mind, write his screeds, chair the NOM, etc. And so do the people he hates. Why be hypocritical and protest the protesters for protesting?
We all are going to vote with our wallets on this one. Go see the movie a bunch of times to show your support for Card and his fellow haters, if you like. Or boycott the movie to show that you hate Card and his fellow haters.
I hate Card's sins of discrimination and bigotry, but I love the sinner and his book.
Phil, OSC never said that he would destroy the government and bring it down. One of his fictional characters did. For those interested in what Card has ACTUALLY said, in context, here's a great link from his site: "Quotes in Context: Orson Scott Card on Gay Marriage." https://www.hatrack.com/misc/Quotes_in_Context.shtml
Phil's quote from Card, is completely out of context and is not what Card wrote in its complete form. Along with the hate speech and bigotry of same sex marriage supporters, comes the distortion of reality to make "gay rights" fit a bankrupt and immoral ideology. Its priests and priestesses preach a dogma that is far more intolerant that those whom they condemn.
I know what a gift it is to be able to write... I am in awe of Card's consistent and thoughtful writing. I am profoundly saddened by the politics of bias mongering. I lose friends because I am opposed to killing babies in the womb. I lose friends because I don't believe two partners of the same sex can create a marriage condoned by God. I lose friends because I am a Democrat. So much labeling and hate. Come Oh Thou King of Kings - the only real solution. In the meantime, we must endure courageously, peacefully and considerately.
Some are maligning OSC just because he opposes same-sex marriage. I don't think that's fair, but the First Amendment protects criticism too, no matter how "good" or "bad" the criticism is. However, I don't think it's the "what", it's the "how". Especially when he said "I will act to destroy that government and bring it down...." What is "religious freedom"? It's the freedom for us to say "We believe that God only wants us to have opposite-sex marriages." It's also the freedom for other Americans (and anyone else in the world!) to say "I don't agree with your belief; I believe that we should extend the privileges of marriage to all loving couples, same-sex or opposite-sex." And since the United States has NO official religion (and no, it's not "a Christian nation", either), you can't keep something away from someone else just because you think God told you to do so.
As a Latter-day Saint, I agree that I believe God wants us to enter opposite-sex marriages and start families. As a citizen of Canada and a resident of the US, I believe that there is no rational reason to prevent same-sex couples from marrying. As one who strives for civil discourse, I am appalled by those who treat us harshly just because of our religious views, and I am equally appalled by those who use their religious views to bash people who believe otherwise (and yes, we Mormons too often HAVE dished it out ... we're going to have to take it, too). And as the father of a lesbian daughter who's now living back in Canada and might just marry another woman some day, I love her no matter what, no matter our disagreements on faith, and I hope I love her just as much as God loves me, and you, and all of his children, gay, straight, or whatever.
This article is misleading in that the author makes Card out to be just some average joe who happens to oppose same sex marriage. This is either intentionally deceptive or she did not do her research: Card was on the board of NOM (National Organization for Marriage)... a group that actively worked to deny marriage equality rights for gay citizens. It should not, therefore, come as a surprise that some homosexuals and their allies would decide to boycott his work. This is not a religious freedom issue. You have the freedom to be against same sex marriage. You have the freedom to voice those opinions. You have the freedom to engage politically for your cause. But, you do not have the freedom to avoid all consequences of your actions.
Based on this story, I suppose I deserve to be name-called, blacklisted, stained and maligned. My views will be most likely be distorted. And I will be free game for tomato-throwing. Finally I will be described as hateful. But I will be attending the movie on opening day!
I would welcome those who oppose him to stay away from the film. I intend to see it multiple times myself and would like to have a better choice of seats. They have their right to stay away... just as I stay away from any tv shows or movies that promote the gay lifestyle.
I have many gay and lesbian friends who I love dearly... and they know I hate the sin while still loving them. So they will sit home and miss a great film while I enjoy it and have extra seats to choose from. It's a win win situation.
I loved Ender's Game, and it's two sequels. I too oppose same sex marriage. But I also have a bad taste in my mouth about Mr. Card because of the "shaming and isolating" I felt from him when he attacked "liberals" in his earlier articles published by your magazine.
Actions have consequences.
You can choose your actions but not the consequences.
People may not like that others are rejecting Bro. Card, but they aren't doing anything illegal. They are simply exercising their rights of free speech and association.
If you Google how many of the United States population is Gay or Lesbian, most studies say between 1 - 4%. Why is their voice so big?? Those who support traditional marriage can have a voice, simply by supporting Orson Scott Card, and attending his movie, over and over if necessary.
Right is right and wrong is wrong...no matter who tries to change it!
Enders Game was a fantastic book...have read it twice and my kids have all read it. We are all great members of the gospel, and in not only good standing but FABULOUS standing. TOTALLY going to the movie with my hubby!
** JOHN TABER** stop judging others lest you be judged. ;o)
I don't think people are anti-OSC because of his stance on gay marriage. I think it has more to do with the bigotry that he exudes.
The guy writes in his personal blog about "Obama arming black gangs to become his own personal army."
OSC writes good fiction - but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that the doesn't live in reality with the rest of us.
(Click the link to read Orson in his own words)
Interesting, I will be seeing this movie now as well. Sad that Card can't enjoy it fully.
Shame on Lionsgate, who will make millions on "Ender's Game" for not acknowledging Orson Scott Card as the author. I'm a Mormon, proud of it and a supporter of DOMA!
We must keep fighting for freedom ... I respect everyone who isn't afraid to state their religious beliefs. Such a sad state of affairs our country is in.
Thank you for publishing this article. I have not read Enders Game and I am not really a hard-core science fiction fan. However, I WILL GO TO THIS FILM!
Where is the freedom of Religon and free speech! Where is Orson Scott card's freedoms? He is such a talented aurther!
I think the time has come that we can no longer sit idly by on the fence. There is going to come a time when there is no gray area... Beliefs will be very black and white. We are going to have to defend what we know to be true and right in the sight of God. In spite of persecution. I think of Elder Hales talk where he said that the saints have been spared from the persecution that our Pioneer ancestors endured, but that it would not always be so. I believe that things are going to get much worse before they get better. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke
It is time to take action. We must be willing to take a stand.
Well, we are 29 years passed 1984 and newspeak is well-entrenched. Like Briar Card, the media summarized all 33 addresses of the 183rd Semi-annual conference as "Mormon Leader Calls Gay Marriage 'Immoral': LDS Leader Dallin H. Oaks Tells Conference It is 'Contrary To God's Decrees' ". . . Are we to be intimidated into silence?
The biggest push for gay marriage comes from Democrats and is a part of their platform. Statistics say that U.S. Mormons are 25% Democrat. How sad to think that 25% of our membership contributes to the harassment of the other 75%.
America is supposed to be about freedom...and was established by those who wanted to live their live in accordance to the commandments of a loving God as given in the Bible. Our forefathers, in creating this great America, were also religious and loved God. They all wanted the freedom to worship our Heavenly Father and have the opportunity to do that without being punished for it. I always find it interesting that those who choose not to be obedient to God's law abuse, degrade and otherwise "punish" good people who try to choose the right and live according to the commandments of God. I do not judge people who choose to live in a same-sex world...that is God's place. And, they have the freedom to choose their lifestyle. However, it is not their place to judge and abuse those who do not agree with their choices...Again, that is God's option. My opinion -- if they are unhappy with American values and choices they can live as they choose, but don't try to change the culture this country was established to protect. Go quietly about your business or find a place where you fit in better.
Take heart. There is a God in Heaven who is not amused. He will eventually intervene in a very dramatic way.
For an engaging read about that eventuality, get your hands on "The Cleansing of America" by Cleon Skousen, which was written before his death in the 1990s, and not published until later, at his request.
There are serious consequences coming. Satan and his minions will not prevail.
I'm a "member in good standing" and when I read Ender years ago I thought it was a great novel! Gosh, I guess I'd better re-read the Handbook.
Unfortunately, many good people have been sucked into supporting same-sex marriage, thinking that was the way to be tolerant. But this has never been a "live and let live" tolerance issue, but rather an issue of forcing everyone to call their relationships marriage, of silencing dissent. As this movement to change the definition of marriage gains more steam, things are going to get very ugly.
This is indeed disturbing.
So if the power of the media is reigning hate for those with religious views, how do we fight back? In times past, I could find others who could still be reasoned with, others who shared my views, but that is becoming increasingly difficult.
I totally agree with Mr. Card's comments on what is happening in the world.
We who believe in traditional marriage should keep up the pressure against schools etc who are trying to teach our children that it is wrong !!!
Some of us wonder how Br. Card can write dreck like _Ender's Game_ and still consider himself a member in good standing.
I think what Card said about gay marriage has a lot to do with the strong reaction against him. He not only voiced opposition to gay marriage, but stated that he would distort the government that supported gay marriage. That provides greater context to the opposition he has experienced. Here is his exact quote:
"I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.
I used to subscribe to a very popular entertainment magazine. I chose to cancel one issue carried two--two!--articles maligning Card. Since the Geeks Out boycott, "Ender's Game" could never be written about in this magazine without a reference to its "controversial author".
What these magazine editors and those baying for his blood refuse to acknowledge, or choose to remain ignorant of, a few things:
--Card has written homosexual characters in his books. They are well-rounded, non-stereotypical, and sympathetic characters. He wrote them as people
--The quotes used in these articles are the same ones, and are passed around without any looking into context. As a former journalism student, I recognize this as sloppy work at best, and deliberate misleading at worst.
I live in a country where I am not sure I will be able to see this movie. I encourage all who can, to please do so. Twice.
These people are not only attacking our religious rights and our right of free speech, but are also engaging in hate speech themselves! By declaring us to be intolerant, they are revealing their own intolerance.
Thank you for this important article. Oh, what is our world coming to? In just one generation, things have changed so much. I admire Orson Scott Card for speaking up for his convictions even with all the bad consequences that have followed.
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